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9 hours ago, tavarish palkovnik said:

 


Только для информации, и обратите внимание, что эта таблица для С-8, в СВО в основном используется С-8КОМ, но это не имеет большого значения по дальности.

5900м слишком мало для 230км/ч и 25-30 градусов

 

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Возможно, оператор озвучивает дальность до линии соприкосновения, но это странно.

Я полагаю, что оператор озвучивает дистанцию до намеченной цели.  

5400

 5900+5900

 

Просто в DCS с такими параметрами пуска НАР упадут на 8+км.  Любые: КОМ, ОФП.  Даже в таблице нет таких дистанций.

И лягут плотной дорожкой. Потому что разброса в горизонте у них в игре почти нет

 

 


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3 hours ago, FlankerFan35 said:

Can you give us any time frame as to when 27ER/77 will be on new API and what level of priority this is?

I can't. We have many priority tasks with current timeline projects.

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29.08.2022 в 12:13, Chizh сказал:

Есть предположение что РМД2 это РВВ-МД. 

Вон там F-15E на подходе как я понимаю, судя по UFC версия самолета из 90х,а вы не думали ему выдать AIM-120A, и вообще замоделить эту ракету в игру ?

Я как то спрашивал пару лет назад уже, вы говорили что подумаете...


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1 minute ago, SandMartin said:

а вы не думали ему выдать AIM-120A, и вообще замоделить эту ракету в игру ?

В хотелках записано. Но пока не до нее.

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12 hours ago, Chizh said:

I can't. We have many priority tasks with current timeline projects.

Speaking of missiles and priorities, can you guys take a look at the aim9b, I know its not exactly a sexy missile, but its broken across several modules right now to include 2 of ED's. Basically you guys have it autolock and uncage. Where IRL it only uncaged once the firing sequence started for 9B and for the very early 9A after it was only after it was fired. This behavior is also broken on the F1, and mig19 but I know those aren't your modules. 
 

 


 

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11 hours ago, FlankerFan35 said:

A little confusing, these weapons are the staple of an entire group aircraft and aren't working properly, can you explain what is more important? 

These weapons work properly. Switching to a new model will not give any tactical advantages, rather the opposite.

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5 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

How did you reach this conclusion.

We have slightly increased the aerodynamic capabilities of the R-27 compared to the results obtained during the SFD study.

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33 minutes ago, Chizh said:

We have slightly increased the aerodynamic capabilities of the R-27 compared to the results obtained during the SFD study.

Can you post the study?

R-27ER flight is mostly ok from what I know, I'm more concerned with guidance, it can be notched as easily as a Sparrow. And for R-77 guidance issue is the same.

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3 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

Can you post the study?

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/medialibrary/bda/xnncgbqcdftgat1awbmcegln17yf2c8m/R-27_Missile_Family.pdf

3 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

R-27ER flight is mostly ok from what I know, I'm more concerned with guidance, it can be notched as easily as a Sparrow.

What is wrong here?

3 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

And for R-77 guidance issue is the same.

When we done a missile components system development and debug, we'll plan to implement it for R-77 and other active missiles.

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18 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Speaking of missiles and priorities, can you guys take a look at the aim9b, I know its not exactly a sexy missile, but its broken across several modules right now to include 2 of ED's. Basically you guys have it autolock and uncage. Where IRL it only uncaged once the firing sequence started for 9B and for the very early 9A after it was only after it was fired. This behavior is also broken on the F1, and mig19 but I know those aren't your modules. 
 

 


 

What aircraft with AIM-9B you mean?

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3 hours ago, Chizh said:

What aircraft with AIM-9B you mean?

So how it should work for all planes because the 9B wasn't a fancy missile (as detailed in the links)
missile has 4 degree IFOV,  when in range at rear of target it gets tone within this 4 degree IFOV. Pilot then depress firing trigger, seeker uncages, missile fires .8sec later (as detailed in the additional chart in the F86 bug report). 

How it currently works on various planes in DCS
So on the F86 it auto uncages, i.e. it sees the heat source in the 4degree IFOV, then without firing  the seeker tracks it within the gimbal limits of +/- 25 or 30 whichever you have it set to.
For the F5E, it actually works correctly aside from the fact you can hit the "uncage" button which uncages it like the 9P/P5 which is incorrect (yes I know what the -34 says, but its wrong since every other tac manual about the 9b says it cannot be uncaged)
For the Mirage F1, same as the F86
For the Mig19 same as the the F86 (While the rest of the R3S was modified, the only information I can find in Russian sources indicates the seeker worked like the 9B and the firing sequence was the same)

Works correctly on the Viggen pre-launch (Rb24), however post launch the missile doesn't track correctly (same as earlier bug on the 9b that was fixed, I assume since the rb24 is a separate missile it didn't get fixed)

As the sources say the 9E was the first USAF missile capable of uncaging (and 9G with SEAM for the navy). 
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Heh just read the change log, looks like Aerges has fixed the 9b to work as it should. 


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1 hour ago, Harlikwin said:

How it currently works on various planes in DCS
So on the F86 it auto uncages, i.e. it sees the heat source in the 4degree IFOV, then without firing  the seeker tracks it within the gimbal limits of +/- 25 or 30 whichever you have it set to.
For the F5E, it actually works correctly aside from the fact you can hit the "uncage" button which uncages it like the 9P/P5 which is incorrect (yes I know what the -34 says, but its wrong since every other tac manual about the 9b says it cannot be uncaged)

Thank you. Wrote down to bug tracker.

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1 hour ago, Chizh said:

Thank you. Wrote down to bug tracker.

I just tested the new patch, and basically the Aerges F1 implementation is correct and how it should work on the F86, F5, Mig19, etc. They even added that seeker null which is a nice touch on their part. 

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10 hours ago, Chizh said:

These weapons work properly


This is very ambitious statement. Although not user, I hardly doubt you managed to program mathematical method of inertial navigation of these rockets, method that can be easily described in mathematical form but hardly “molded” in universal form.

Please don’t take me wrong, but sometimes it’s better to say, we did our best

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2 minutes ago, tavarish palkovnik said:


This is very ambitious statement. Although not user, I hardly doubt you managed to program mathematical method of inertial navigation of these rockets, method that can be easily described in mathematical form but hardly “molded” in universal form.

Please don’t take me wrong, but sometimes it’s better to say, we did our best

OK. Agreed. We did our best at present time.

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8 hours ago, Chizh said:

What is wrong here?

Can you please confirm if the battery life is around 60 seconds(R-27ER/ET)? Recently I had a missile which still had kinetic energy(need to dig out tacview/trk from within las 5 days) but it appears that guidance stopped around 60th sec, without being notched or broken lock. It would be strange to design a rocket with certain Raero and Rmax, only to fail due to low battery.


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23 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Can you please confirm if the battery life is around 60 seconds(R-27ER/ET)? Recently I had a missile which still had kinetic energy(need to dig out tacview/trk from within las 5 days) but it appears that guidance stopped around 60th sec, without being notched or broken lock. It would be strange to design a rocket with certain Raero and Rmax, only to fail due to low battery.

 

Battery powers not only seeker, but in some missiles also aerodynamic controls, and this is not an insignificant load. It is not unusual for a missile to have more kinematic range than battery life although I agree we should be sure of the actual value

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40 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Can you please confirm if the battery life is around 60 seconds(R-27ER/ET)? Recently I had a missile which still had kinetic energy(need to dig out tacview/trk from within las 5 days) but it appears that guidance stopped around 60th sec, without being notched or broken lock. It would be strange to design a rocket with certain Raero and Rmax, only to fail due to low battery.

 

IIRC its 60 secs for the R-24, so not unreasonable. No idea on the ER/ET tho, I'd imagine it might be more, but depends on how its powered.

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56 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Can you please confirm if the battery life is around 60 seconds(R-27ER/ET)? Recently I had a missile which still had kinetic energy(need to dig out tacview/trk from within las 5 days) but it appears that guidance stopped around 60th sec, without being notched or broken lock. It would be strange to design a rocket with certain Raero and Rmax, only to fail due to low battery.

There's nothing strange about it.  Battery is what it is for technical and technological reasons.  So you can't reach max aero, but there are advantages to be had before you reach it.

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1 hour ago, okopanja said:

Can you please confirm if the battery life is around 60 seconds(R-27ER/ET)? Recently I had a missile which still had kinetic energy(need to dig out tacview/trk from within las 5 days) but it appears that guidance stopped around 60th sec, without being notched or broken lock. It would be strange to design a rocket with certain Raero and Rmax, only to fail due to low battery.

 

Yes, confirm, 60 seconds is a limit of operation time.

The primary driver of R-27ER development was fact that in the estimated duel situation Su-27 with R-27 lost the battle of the F-15 with AIM-7M missiles. Then a more powerful motor was installed so that the 27ER would reach its target faster than the 7M. That is, the main goal was not range, but speed.

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