Yellonet Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Or sliced to pieces by secondary frag effects...everything can become a deadly projectile well outside the 30m area.Yes, I edited my post... i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 No one said that, at least not I... you will obviously get severely burned and maybe get hit by primary or secondary shrapnel at a greater range than crushed by the shockwave. At 60m a 500lb bomb will cut you to pieces;) The effects are blast and fragmentation, thats what does the damage. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 At 60m a 500lb bomb will cut you to pieces;) The effects are blast and fragmentation, thats what does the damage.And by blast you mean overpressure? If so, what is your source? i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Blast is the effect you're probably refering too as over pressure. (probably the same thing!). The effect of blast is the explosion itself, to be within 60m you are most definately within the blast radius. Shrapnel won't matter at such a distance as the Blast alone will most definately kill you. Shrapnel is thrown outwards from the blast which causes more damage to objects further outside the blast radius. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Blast is the effect you're probably refering too as over pressure. (probably the same thing!). The effect of blast is the explosion itself, to be within 60m you are most definately within the blast radius. Shrapnel won't matter at such a distance as the Blast alone will most definately kill you. Shrapnel is thrown outwards from the blast which causes more damage to objects further outside the blast radius.Where do you get those figures? Because my source claims that a 1,000,000 kg bomb only gives a 50% casualties within 140 meters due to blast. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 :icon_mrgr Yellonet WTH, ROFL, thats a good one. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I was thinking, Even a rock from ground zero would be enough to kill you at 30meters. It would be a deadly object. Seriously, will this or has this been identified for improvement in upcoming versions of lock-on? Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 :icon_mrgr Yellonet WTH, ROFL, thats a good one.Well I got my figures from http://www.fas.org i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504 Wolverine Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I think (as someone has already said) that the figures are of a sterile environment and not being applied to real world senarios. I can think of a few senarios of explosions that I have seen here in belfast but I cannot source any material on them e.g. bomb size and pics but One senario I can think of with the relivent info is the Omagh bomb here in Ireland. It was a 300lb homemade bomb (usually fertilizer/deisel mix). I will quote from one site. At 3:10pm on Saturday, 15 August 1998, the car bomb exploded at the centre of the crowd. The car was literally blown to pieces; fragments were later found hundreds of feet away. The entire front wall of SD Kells cloths shop was blasted into the building, and the roof collapsed into the top floor. Several of the dead were in this shop. The roofs were blown off surrounding buildings and facades were blown in. On the opposite side of the road, the blast went through the shop fronts like a knife through paper. At the Pine Emporium, a furniture shop, the blast was such that furniture could later be seen sticking out the windows at the back of the building. The owner, Elizabeth Rush, died in her shop. The powerful blast wave was so powerful that the bodies of several victims were never found. Further from the epicentre, the blast tore limbs of many people. The intense heat of the explosion caused severe burns. As well as the blast, shards of glass and metal scythed through the crowd of civilians. Even those further from the blast were hit by flying masonry or were deafened by the noise. A water main under the road was exposed by the blast, and this began pouring gallons of water over the wreckage, washing bodies down the hill. 21 people died instantly, but the bomb had not yet claimed all its victims. Again as I said this was a 300lb home made bomb. It killed 29 people, injured 220 and devastated the center of Omagh so I would hate to see what 500lbs of high explosives would do to a target and the surrounding area. [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Sounds consistent wit the overpressure radii quited so far though. And I say 'sounds' only because there is mention of things 'across the street'. And remember, a 500lbs bomb is not 500lbs of explosives. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Sounds consistent wit the overpressure radii quited so far though. And I say 'sounds' only because there is mention of things 'across the street'. And remember, a 500lbs bomb is not 500lbs of explosives.Exactly. For instance, a Mk-84 (2039 lbs) has 945 lbs or explosives. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504 Wolverine Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Oops getting my lbs - Kg coversions wrong again. :icon_redf [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504 Wolverine Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 And remember, a 500lbs bomb is not 500lbs of explosives. Yeah mate I am aware of that but for some strange reason when converting the explosives in a Mk-84 I was coming up with 500lb :icon_redf And to think I got an A on A-Level maths. :icon_lol: [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 English isn't my first languange, yes I know you can tell, but why is pounds written as lbs? Edit: I found out... another english latin word ;) i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Well I got my figures from http://www.fas.org Even in a sterile enviroment those figures are quite wrong, watch some videos of them going off and you will see why. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Even in a sterile enviroment those figures are quite wrong, watch some videos of them going off and you will see why.Those figures deal with casualties, not destroyed buildings. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tflash Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 An element we did not discuss already is the fuzing of the bomb. We are still talking about a bomb in open space, but didn't consider when the bomb is expected to explode. If it first smashes into the ground and then explodes, a lot of the energy is absorbed by the ground and the rest is directed towards the air. This means the diameter of the overpressure blast will be more limited. If the bomb has some kind of fuse extender and detonates above ground, I guess we will have a larger blast radius. A historic example of this was in waterloo, where the canonballs fired by Napoleon's army fell rather deep into the very muddy ground before detonating: this severely limited the explosive effect and highly reduced the lethal range. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudd Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Here is a good video of a 2,000lb blast: http://fromtheinside.us/multi-media/videos/2klgb.html The code is probaly in Russian anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 :eek: I would say the same thing as the guy in the video. I saw a couple of vehicles before the hit. They did not get a direct hit but, I would like to see what they look like now. If there is anything left of them. Maybe the USAF can help me dig my next swimming pool. Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 The camera doesn't seem to be that far away from the explosion... and it didn't get destroyed or anything. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 how far away? what amount of zoom? what was it housed in? Things we do not know. I would betting man, it was not a guy standing there with a cam-recorder on his shoulder checking it out. Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordmonkey Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 The camera doesn't seem to be that far away from the explosion... and it didn't get destroyed or anything. Also note that it's a penetrating hit, not a surface-blast. if it was a surface-blast, I severely doubt that the camera would have survived, nor would the crater have been THAT large from an On-ground detonation. Even with a Mk-84. Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 how far away? what amount of zoom? what was it housed in? Things we do not know. I would betting man, it was not a guy standing there with a cam-recorder on his shoulder checking it out.Doesn't look like it's very much zoom as you can see quite a lot of ground which seems to be close infront of the camera....man *runs away* i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 The camera doesn't seem to be that far away from the explosion... and it didn't get destroyed or anything. Cameras are much smaller than people. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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