bunraku Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Hi. I have an X-52 pro and within windows the stick seems centred perfectly in the configuration screen. Also within the game i have a DZ of 5. But my plane constantly banks to the right. I have even set the DZ to 20 and the same happens. Thought it might be wind but same happens on different missions. Any idea why? Edited October 14, 2012 by bunraku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTFDarkEagle Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hi Yes. Balance/wind/turbulence/any other.. Solution: trim. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Rhodes Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Trim that thing! Everyone likes a little Trim :) Dusty Rhodes Play HARD, Play FAIR, Play TO WIN Win 7 Professional 64 Bit / Intel i7 4790 Devils Canyon, 4.0 GIG /ASUS Maximus VII Formula Motherboard/ ASUS GTX 1080 8 GB/ 32 Gigs of RAM / Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog / TrackIR 5 / 2 Cougar MFD's / Saitek Combat Pedals/ DSD Button Box FLT-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hi. I have an X-52 pro and within windows the stick seems centred perfectly in the configuration screen. Also within the game i have a DZ of 5. But my plane constantly banks to the right. I have even set the DZ to 20 and the same happens. Thought it might be wind but same happens on different missions. Any idea why? If you know how to create a mission, then create one with your aircraft starting in the air and carrying no weapons (weapons hanging off your wings will cause uneven drag unless the loadout is symmetrical). Start the flight and see what happens. If it's still pulling to the right, take a look under the sim's Options at you flight stick's flight controls. Try taking out any the rudder settings and see what happens. Those would be the two most likely issues. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap charlie Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I just upgraded to latest version and I get the same but a bank to the left that starts a descent within 5 seconds , I will try the above suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap charlie Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) If you know how to create a mission, then create one with your aircraft starting in the air and carrying no weapons (weapons hanging off your wings will cause uneven drag unless the loadout is symmetrical). Start the flight and see what happens. If it's still pulling to the right, take a look under the sim's Options at you flight stick's flight controls. Try taking out any the rudder settings and see what happens. Those would be the two most likely issues. Rich okay disabling the rudder stops the roll. I had it set at 7 & 30 so not sure what to do from here? to be honest I dont need the rudder as the ball is centered without it but taxing would be a problem (logitech extreme) edit mysteriously it has cleared up Edited October 15, 2012 by cheap charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hi. I have an X-52 pro and within windows the stick seems centred perfectly in the configuration screen. Also within the game i have a DZ of 5. But my plane constantly banks to the right. I have even set the DZ to 20 and the same happens. Thought it might be wind but same happens on different missions. Any idea why? Hey bunraku, I've got exactly the same problem down to a T! It only started happening recently as well as I don't ever recall having it pull so badly before, if at all. I'll try the suggested rudder adjustment though. Interesting though, something specific to the X52 Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiezer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I used to have a similar problem with my x52 pro during the beta. The solution was trim. My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I used to have a similar problem with my x52 pro during the beta. The solution was trim. It's a bit annoying though, I don't mind trimming don't get me wrong. It's the fact it used to work without it. Now with no payload, 0 wind we have to trim :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Alright, Just did a few small tests. Windows Control Panel: Everything is centered, no jitters at all. Rudder works fine as well. Ingame RCtrl + Enter Menu Everything is dead on, plane still banks to the right. I have unplugged my X52 and it does it without the joystick as well. Short of going back to v5970 to test does anyone have any other ideas? other than trim :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiezer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Is this just an excuse to buy the TM warthog? :D My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Your onto us :D I'll get one of them for sure *cough*you listening Santa?*cough* I'm about to blow away the current install and go back to the older one to see if that changes anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 v5970 Issue is still there, vanilla install inc. config files, without the stick even plugged in Ah well :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Make sure to REMOVE all the other input devices from X and Y. Only your joystick should be assigned. DCS is very eager to map up everything. During beta it assigned my TrackIR axis to yaw, that took a while to understand. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki_ Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yea even on a vanilla install i would go back to your options menu amd check the axis controls under a10c sim(or a10c-game if u play arcade) for any assignments to pitch/roll/yaw. Even tho your ctrl+enter appears center it doesnt take much to nudge the plane around over time. Dcs isnt the only title that assigns unused device axes to important controls, ive had that problem in tf2 as well. If all looks good there i would look into the axis configurations in dcs control options for pitch roll and yaw and consider setting a deadzone. When you pull up the configuration window look for a black box and red boxes on a graph. The black box is what your stick is registering the red box is what the game is puting out. On default settings they stay together. If those boxes are moving at all without you touching the stick then you need some deadzone. I use deadzone of 7 for pitch and roll and a sensitivity curve of +20 as well. This results in no uncommanded movement for me along with small corrections still being possible with small stick movements. At larger stick movements i get increasingly dramatic rates of pitch/roll which is just fine with me. Ymmv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Yea even on a vanilla install i would go back to your options menu amd check the axis controls under a10c sim(or a10c-game if u play arcade) for any assignments to pitch/roll/yaw. Even tho your ctrl+enter appears center it doesnt take much to nudge the plane around over time. Dcs isnt the only title that assigns unused device axes to important controls, ive had that problem in tf2 as well. If all looks good there i would look into the axis configurations in dcs control options for pitch roll and yaw and consider setting a deadzone. When you pull up the configuration window look for a black box and red boxes on a graph. The black box is what your stick is registering the red box is what the game is puting out. On default settings they stay together. If those boxes are moving at all without you touching the stick then you need some deadzone. I use deadzone of 7 for pitch and roll and a sensitivity curve of +20 as well. This results in no uncommanded movement for me along with small corrections still being possible with small stick movements. At larger stick movements i get increasingly dramatic rates of pitch/roll which is just fine with me. Ymmv. Hey Loki, Thanks for the suggestions but unfortunately the problem is still there. I have cleared every possible axis and button assignment that might have anything remotely to do with this issue, as well as having the joystick unplugged. We can rule out a deadzone issue if there are no input devices present. The issue is very easy to replicate, create an instant mission (0 wind etc, but this has zero visible effect anyway) and the second you hit the "Fly" button .. instant drift to the right. And its not just a subtle drift either, it's quite prominent. :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntaxError Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Don't know if it relates but I had a problem when running a profile sometimes via SST that would cause my aicraft to bank right hard, and trimming wouldn't help. I don't run SST since it's a pile of crap but maybe deload and reload the profile if it doesn't constantly crash and lock up like my Profiler? Edited October 17, 2012 by SyntaxError F/A-18C - A-10C - FC3 - L-39C/ZA - Ka-50 - UH-1H - Mi-8MTV2 - F-86F - Spitfire - P-51D - P-47D - BF-109K - CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Don't know if it relates but I had a problem when running a profile sometimes via SST that would cause my aicraft to bank right hard, and trimming wouldn't help. I don't run SST since it's a pile of crap but maybe deload and reload the profile if it doesn't constantly crash and lock up like my Profiler? Hey Syntax, I don't use any profiles, every function is mapped directly to a joystick button via game settings. It's not the most efficient way but so far had no need to change this, at least for the A10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hey Loki, Thanks for the suggestions but unfortunately the problem is still there. I have cleared every possible axis and button assignment that might have anything remotely to do with this issue, as well as having the joystick unplugged. We can rule out a deadzone issue if there are no input devices present. The issue is very easy to replicate, create an instant mission (0 wind etc, but this has zero visible effect anyway) and the second you hit the "Fly" button .. instant drift to the right. And its not just a subtle drift either, it's quite prominent. :joystick: Hers is another suggestion: Please post short track with unplugged joystick that is showing this behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hers is another suggestion: Please post short track with unplugged joystick that is showing this behaviour. Here we go, just a quick mission. Joystick unplugged. Thanks for having a look at this.Drift_Issue.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) One Word: Trim ! The attached track is yours but I took over control after 10 seconds , I switched the controls-indicator on (so you can see what I'm doing), I levelled out by using the arrow keys, and than I only hit once [RCtrl+,]=Trim Left Wing Down. And you can see that the plane flies level without that I have to do something at all. Now You maybe response that your load-out is symmetric and that there is now wind.... But, there is wind - blowing straight in your face with about 260 kts and your load is maybe symmetric in weight , but not in drag. The two sidewinders at the right wing are responsible for :"Plane constantly banks to the right" So once again: Learn to trim. Drift_Issue_Fixed.trk Edited October 17, 2012 by PeterP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrasyuk Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Interesting. I remember having that exact behaviour about half year ago (tmwh). I don't remember what I did to solve it but there was a solution to this. After a lengthy time off I reinstalled the game, now in "World" form. And that same behaviour is back. As designed? OK, I guess I'll trim) Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearme Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 One Word: Trim ! The attached track is yours but I took over control after 10 seconds , I switched the controls-indicator on (so you can see what I'm doing), I levelled out by using the arrow keys, and than I only hit once [RCtrl+,]=Trim Left Wing Down. And you can see that the plane flies level without that I have to do something at all. Now You maybe response that your load-out is symmetric and that there is now wind.... But, there is wind - blowing straight in your face with about 260 kts and your load is maybe symmetric in weight , but not in drag. The two sidewinders at the right wing are responsible for :"Plane constantly banks to the right" So once again: Learn to trim. Hey Peter, First let me start by saying that you are 100% correct and that the issue are the two sidewinders. Once they are released the plane levels again. Now, my only question is that has anything changed recently? because I never until now had a need to trim right off the bat at the beginning of a mission. As in, it almost felt like the plane has been trimmed already. Maybe its just my imagination but a large number of my flights start airborne to save time and I could bet my left testicle this behavior wasn't there before. As far as trim is concerned, I'm aware of how it works ;) It's no biggie really, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamblue Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Does hitting the Takeoff trim before starting help? Asus Sabertooth P67 Motherboard 2600k CPU, 16 gig DDR3, 1600. Samsung 830, 256 gig hard drive, GTX780 Video Card, Warthog Hotas, Razer Mamba mouse. Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals. Trackir 5, Verizon FIOS 25Meg Up/Down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) No- it does not. Hitting Takeoff trim takes away gradually all trim inputs that where made. And this will put the plane in the state it has already while starting a mission= no trim at all. >>> more info about Take off trim and the proper usage/why it is there Edited October 19, 2012 by PeterP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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