FC3 Su-33 air-to-ground capabilities

[Summonity]

Hello everyone,

 

as I am a big fan of the lockon flaming cliffs series I own all previous versions and still enjoy them. I already got the FC3 beta and have a blast exploring and trying out the new features already implemented. :)

 

But there is one question about the Su-33 (my favorite aircraft) where I was yet not able to find any information.

 

In FC1 and FC2 the Su-33 had limited air-to-ground capabilities. It was able to deploy rockets, bombs and even some AGM like the Kh-41. I expierienced that the Su-33 in the current beta version is not able to launch any AGM at all.

Do we have any information about the future air-to-ground capabilities of the Su-33 in FC3?

Will it still be able to launch the Kh-41 during anti-ship strikes?

 

Thank you for any information in advance!

 

~Summonity

[Dudikoff]

In FC1 and FC2 the Su-33 had limited air-to-ground capabilities. It was able to deploy rockets, bombs and even some AGM like the Kh-41. I expierienced that the Su-33 in the current beta version is not able to launch any AGM at all.

Do we have any information about the future air-to-ground capabilities of the Su-33 in FC3?

Will it still be able to launch the Kh-41 during anti-ship strikes?

 

The real Su-33 doesn't support the Moskit missiles so that one won't be back for sure.

[boquinauer]

Of course not. Summonity is not asking about the Moskit but about the Kh41 Sunburn.

And yes. The real Su33 can carry the Kh41 Sunburn like the one in the picture.

 

 

Cheers

[pepin1234]

Of course not. Summonity is not asking about the Moskit but about the Kh41 Sunburn.

And yes. The real Su33 can carry the Kh41 Sunburn like the one in the picture.

 

 

Cheers

 

Good to know. My conclusion to all that is, if ED add the kh-41 for the Su-33 the Red side will have an extreme superiority. The idea is good for the balance of the game but I am worry about that when the 3° parties multirole become available. Lets see

[Exorcet]

Good to know. My conclusion to all that is, if ED add the kh-41 for the Su-33 the Red side will have an extreme superiority.

Well, that's blue side's problem. Balance isn't a reason to restrict weapon carriage. Blue can't take off from carriers anyway.

 

Also, I think ED removed these capabilities because they were never given to the greater Su-33 fleet, though I don't know too much about it myself.

[Eeezy]

With the 3rd parties and other upgrades the "game" will be more and more various , complex and funniest. Pls stop asking for restrictions only because you are not able to make "balance". Balance not means 1 rocket for red and 1 similar for blue. Balance is made in mission editor and may not affect its variety/complexity.

[joey45]

True. IF the mission maker doesn't want the Russians to have/use the Kh-41* then he/she can not have it available in the inventory.

 

* Or any other weapons for that matter.

[Alfa]

Of course not. Summonity is not asking about the Moskit but about the Kh41 Sunburn.

 

First, the Russian name for the missile(3M80) is "Moskit"(Mosquito), while the NATO reporting name is "Sunburn" - i.e. same missile.

 

The missile so far only exist as SSM(surface-to-surface missile) and in its current version arms varies naval vessels under the Russian designation P-270(NATO: SS-N-22 "Sunburn").

 

And yes. The real Su33 can carry the Kh41 Sunburn like the one in the picture.

 

It cannot - In the early nineties there was a development for an airlaunched variant designated Kh-41 for arming the Su-33(among others), but it was abandonned.

 

The weapon's control system of the Su-33(SUV-33) is practically identical to that of the Su-27 - the only difference being modifications to the navigation system and integration of a more potent EOS. The radar(NIIP-N001) is the same as the one in the Su-27 and has no air-to-surface modes.

 

So to answer the question of the thread starter - the air-to-ground armament of the Su-33 consists of unguided rockets and bombs of varies caliber. No ASMs available.

[Alfa]

Pls stop asking for restrictions only because you are not able to make "balance".

 

The "Kh-41" was removed from the armament of the Su-33 in the game because it doesn't exist and because the real Su-33 cannot employ guided air-to-surface armament - nothing to do with "game balance".

[GGTharos]

No, it cannot. This is a picture of a mock-up for a capability that was never funded.

 

Edit: Sniped by the man :D

 

Of course not. Summonity is not asking about the Moskit but about the Kh41 Sunburn.

And yes. The real Su33 can carry the Kh41 Sunburn like the one in the picture.

Cheers

Edited January 11, 2013 by GGTharos

[159th_Viper]

Anyone have an idea which aircraft is to carry the BrahMos-1?

[GGTharos]

According to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos

 

Su-30MKI and later a lighter version for the MiG-29K.

[159th_Viper]

Aaah - should have Wikifu'd :D

 

Quite impressive to see what it does to a ship:

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c7_1355661725

[GGTharos]

Meh? ...

 

 

Same warhead size, but the BrahMos will get there faster :)

[159th_Viper]

......the BrahMos will get there faster :)

 

Lol yeah that's the understatement of the day :)

[Flаnker]

SPO L-150 "Pastel" allows you to use anti-radar missiles;)

[Alfa]

SPO L-150 "Pastel" allows you to use anti-radar missiles;)

 

....if they are integrated into the WCS ;) .

[Flаnker]

....if they are integrated into the WCS ;) .

 

WCS Su-33 require small modifications for this. (as far as I know, there were test launches of missiles Kh-31 Su 33);)

[Teknetinium]

It would not harm to have the missile working if someone from 3d party would do Su-30MKI or MIG-29K. I have seen several pictures whit Su-33 loaded whit Kh-41, strange news.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Teknetinium

[159th_Viper]

It would not harm to have the missile working if someone from 3d party would do Su-30MKI or MIG-29K.

 

Would be even better if the Kh-31 be added to the Cy-33 inventory, thus returning the anti-shipping capability removed with FC2.

[Alfa]

WCS Su-33 require small modifications for this.

 

I am not so sure about that Flanker - weapon's integration usually involves a whole lot more than one would think.

 

You are of course right that the Pastel RWS provides the required target acquisition and control structure for the X-31P, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this possibility has been realised for the Su-33.

 

Besides, as far as game implementation goes, I think the Pastel system itself would present quite a few problems......not exactly the most well documented(to say the least).

 

(as far as I know, there were test launches of missiles Kh-31 Su 33);)

 

There have been many such "reportings" over the years Flanker - whether they actually occured is another matter :) .

 

So far I haven't seen anything to indicate that the most recent Su-33 upgrade involves any meassures towards "multirole" capability - i.e. radar and EOS upgrade for use of guided air-to-surface/ground munitions as such.

 

Rather the upgrade seems more like an effort to improve the effectiveness and safe operation of the Su-33 in its original form as a stop-gap meassure until a full compliment of MiG-29K/KUB is in place.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Alfa