karasawa Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Su-25T has a higher thrust/weight ratio, but I do feel that A-10 has a higher rate of turn, both sustained and instantaneous. Some videos on youtube shows that a A-10, if properly handled, can beat a fighter jet in dogfight, and that happens in real life. Is it a problem of aerodynamic model or Su-25 is underrated?
Boberro Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 GheyTen has been made for slow flight stay over the target. By that it can turn better. Frogfoot is fast striker to attack some points and run away. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
seikdel Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Some videos on youtube shows that a A-10, if properly handled, can beat a fighter jet in dogfight, and that happens in real life. [citation needed]
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 [citation needed] In youtube just search "A-10 vs" and you got tons of results:)
Loki_ Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 GheyTen has been made for slow flight stay over the target. By that it can turn better. Frogfoot is fast striker to attack some points and run away. And only lose about 3 pounds of nuts and bolts per minute running at max speed.
NoCarrier Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 In youtube just search "A-10 vs" and you got tons of results:) I'm still not convinced. I'm guessing these DACT excercises are more for the benefit of the A-10 drivers, for them to get some air-to-air practice in, and not for them to get spanked. You'll note that in this video, and all the similar ones, that the aggressors are flying kinda sedate, waiting for the A-10s to get their tracking shots in.
Vlerkies Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Lol Any pilot in a modern fighter that gets shot down by an A-10 has really been sleeping on the job. As for that video, a simple throttle up would have left the A-10 way behind with no firing solution. No need to turn and burn, BVR all the way. Agree with 'NoCarrier'. Edited February 7, 2013 by Vlerkies Thermaltake View 91, Z390 Gigabyte Aorus Ultra, i9 9900K, Corsair H150i Pro, 32Gb Trident Z 3200, Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 2080ti, Corsair AX1200i, Warthog A-10 Hotas, MFG Crosswind pedals, TiR5 Pro, HP Reverb Pro
Suchacz Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 This is an axample, how should the "Hog x MiG meeting" look like. MiG is doing supersonic passes and Hog has a very poor chances to harm him in any way. Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) First, the main tactic of a Su-25 against an A-10 at his 6, is try to get the faster speed as possible, they are so slow. After a time in straight direction, air brake, throtle in idle and turn 180° geting lower altitud. Anyway our game is going so far when we compared the hardware of both sides. Maybe exist a politic balace, but honestly we should see how the F-15 maneuvers with a full payload at 8000 m, it is complet unreal and in the reality when they do such maneuvers they must going straight into inspection and be grounded. Adding how ED have gave us the aim-7/120 missiles capability against the R-27/77 missiles with an abusive superiority and a exaggerated reaction capability against targets. Seeing how the USA ARMY lying constantly hiding the true of some outcome in war. For example in Yugoslavia war a Mig-29 shootdown with R-73 a F-16, after that a spokesman USA Army say the F-16 have a training accident somewhere in USA. :music_whistling: Or how the afghanistan rebels destroy a expensive and sophisticated armor with a old Soviet mine.:doh: All that they hold in hiding and we can not allow all that sickly publicity come into our game. All people wish a Apache helicopter into our game... :police:All right, lets see how is the loop learning with the Huey, first Tail rotor Heli into our game.... Edited February 7, 2013 by pepin1234 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
maturin Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 The best dogfighter in the world, as shown by simulated, controlled environments, is a Cessna with guns on it (in an alternate universe where a Cessna could carry them). Sure an A-10 could kill a jet in a dogfight every now and then, but no jet is ever, ever going to dogfight some slow ground attack aircraft it could effortlessly kill in a quick pass. Those videos are from air-to-air practice with the jets sidling up leisurely and then making some slow turns.
Boberro Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Seeing how the USA ARMY lying constantly hiding the true of some outcome in war. For example in Yugoslavia war a Mig-29 shootdown with R-73 a F-16, after that a spokesman USA Army say the F-16 have a training accident somewhere in USA. :music_whistling: Do you have some source or it is common joke of mighty Russian planes being king of the skies? Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
mvsgas Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Su-25T has a higher thrust/weight ratio, but I do feel that A-10 has a higher rate of turn, both sustained and instantaneous. Some videos on youtube shows that a A-10, if properly handled, can beat a fighter jet in dogfight, and that happens in real life. Is it a problem of aerodynamic model or Su-25 is underrated? AFAIK, A-10 has a thicker, bigger wing and less wing loading. Because of wing, the A-10 can turn better, but wont go as fast. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Yes, you have CNN and some subversive publicity magazine. I have personal testimonies. Do you have some source or it is common joke of mighty Russian planes being king of the skies? Read here again and look what happen in our game in real time: First, the main tactic of a Su-25 against an A-10 at his 6, is try to get the faster speed as possible, they are so slow. After a time in straight direction, air brake, throtle in idle and turn 180° geting lower altitud. Anyway our game is going so far when we compared the hardware of both sides. Maybe exist a politic balace, but honestly we should see how the F-15 maneuvers with a full payload at 8000 m, it is complet unreal and in the reality when they do such maneuvers they must going straight into inspection and be grounded. Adding how ED have gave us the aim-7/120 missiles capability against the R-27/77 missiles with an abusive superiority and a exaggerated reaction capability against targets. Seeing how the USA ARMY lying constantly hiding the true of some outcome in war. For example in Yugoslavia war a Mig-29 shootdown with R-73 a F-16, after that a spokesman USA Army say the F-16 have a training accident somewhere in USA. :music_whistling: Or how the afghanistan rebels destroy a expensive and sophisticated armor with a old Soviet mine.:doh: All that they hold in hiding and we can not allow all that sickly publicity come into our game. All people wish a Apache helicopter into our game... :police:All right, lets see how is the loop learning with the Huey, first Tail rotor Heli into our game.... Edited February 7, 2013 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Seeing how the USA ARMY lying constantly hiding the true of some outcome in war. For example in Yugoslavia war a Mig-29 shootdown with R-73 a F-16, after that a spokesman USA Army say the F-16 have a training accident somewhere in USA. :music_whistling: Or how the afghanistan rebels destroy a expensive and sophisticated armor with a old Soviet mine.:doh: Well, any source? It sounds to me a good story. If a F-16 was shot down, then the Mig must have the hud footage right? We all know that the hud footage of a downed MIG-29 (killed by a F-16 in the no fly zone) in 27 Dec 1992 was opened to public :D
JB3DG Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 The best dogfighter in the world, as shown by simulated, controlled environments, is a Cessna with guns on it (in an alternate universe where a Cessna could carry them). Dont you mean an Extra 300 :lol:
Weta43 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 The best dogfighter in the world, as shown by simulated, controlled environments, is a Su-29 with guns on it (in an alternate universe where it could carry them). :-) Cheers.
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 :-) I believe the Su26 is more agile that the Su29:lol:
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Well, any source? It sounds to me a good story. If a F-16 was shot down, then the Mig must have the hud footage right? We all know that the hud footage of a downed MIG-29 (killed by a F-16 in the no fly zone) in 27 Dec 1992 was opened to public :D What mean any source for you?? The Yougoslavian Mig-29 had a lot of problems in their radars and a lot of technical problems and were not spare parts for them. They were not able to use their radar. There are 3 Nato F-16 shootdown by yugoslavian Migs by the serbian pilots: Nebojsa Nikolic, Ljubisa Velickovic, Iljo Arizanov, one F-15 by the serbian pilot Zoran Radosavljevic and other F-15 damaged by the serbian pilot Slodoban Peric. All of them are denied by the most profetional liars ever existed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Suchacz Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 ... Nebojsa Nikolic ... Sorry for OT, but this is a great example of latin phrase "omen nomen" - Nebojsa means "The one which is not affraid" in Czech :smilewink: They must have a lot of courage to face those fancy modern NATO fighters with their outdated 29s. :v: Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
seikdel Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 In youtube just search "A-10 vs" and you got tons of results:) Training, as has been pointed out. Besides, I was more interested in the "in real life" part of the sentence...
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Sorry for OT, but this is a great example of latin phrase "omen nomen" - Nebojsa means "The one which is not affraid" in Czech :smilewink: They must have a lot of courage to face those fancy modern NATO fighters with their outdated 29s. :v: and all of them have this medall: They have the " Medalja za Hrabrost " in english means " Medal for Bravery ". [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Hellfire257 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 What mean any source for you?? The Yougoslavian Mig-29 had a lot of problems in their radars and a lot of technical problems and were not spare parts for them. They were not able to use their radar. There are 3 Nato F-16 shootdown by yugoslavian Migs by the serbian pilots: Nebojsa Nikolic, Ljubisa Velickovic, Iljo Arizanov, one F-15 by the serbian pilot Zoran Radosavljevic and other F-15 damaged by the serbian pilot Slodoban Peric. All of them are denied by the most profetional liars ever existed. Evidence from reputable source please, or I call bullshit.
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Boberro Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I see good story for Cartoon Network :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 What mean any source for you?? The Yougoslavian Mig-29 had a lot of problems in their radars and a lot of technical problems and were not spare parts for them. They were not able to use their radar. There are 3 Nato F-16 shootdown by yugoslavian Migs by the serbian pilots: Nebojsa Nikolic, Ljubisa Velickovic, Iljo Arizanov, one F-15 by the serbian pilot Zoran Radosavljevic and other F-15 damaged by the serbian pilot Slodoban Peric. All of them are denied by the most profetional liars ever existed. Well, could Yougoslavian airforce show a single F-16 wreckage to public? As far as I know, the Mig29 of Nebojsa Nikolic was shot down by a Dutch F-16 on 6 Apr 1999 and the photo of its wreckage is shown on numerous journals:megalol:
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