Essah Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 https://sites.google.com/site/mthompsondc/star-telegramseries Apparently the Huey (And Cobra) is another very I'll forgiving helicopter for new pilots with Mast bumping just like the Ka-50 can be with its rotor Collision.
EagleEye Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Already discussed... MB will be simulated by Belsimtek, AFAIK. Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals
KLR Rico Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'd certianly hope so... It's a pretty important point in rotor dynamics. i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS
Krebs20 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 :doh: Thats why it falls off! Just kidding. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
airdog Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hmmm...and I thought Mast Bumping was an event in the Gay Olympics. 1 Airdog | Asus ROG Strix Z370-E Mobo | i7 8700K @ 4.7 | 32 GB DDR4@3200mhz | Gigabyte 2080Ti OC 11GB| Samsung M.2 960 Evo 250Gb and 500Gb | Win10 Pro | Hotas Warthog #02743 | Track IR 5 | Toshiba 47" 120hz LED | Acer 23" Touchscreen | HELIOS |Oculus Rift-S| http://www.blackknightssquadron.com/
EagleEye Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I thought about it again and ask me the question how we can "see" if we have low-g load on the chopper. IRL one would feel low-g and can stop that maneuver and/or do control inputs to "load" the rotor system again. So the only method in-game would be to prevent low-g on all cost? Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals
KLR Rico Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Good point... Maybe have some debris in the cockpit that becomes airborne at low g. :) i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS
EagleEye Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Wait and see. I hate you!:ranting::D Good point... Maybe have some debris in the cockpit that becomes airborne at low g. LOL Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals
seikdel Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I'm going to miss my ejection seat so much =(
KLR Rico Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Eh, real men go down with the ship. :D i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS
Chris CDN Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 For those who don't know exactly what mast bumping is, check this out. Actually, from 6:00 - 7:30 should do it. Click for youtube video. The key thing to remember is that the fuselage isn't really 'flying', it's just hanging underneath the rotor system (which is doing all the work). So if you (and your fuselage) are in low/zero G, the rotor system is just cruising along doing it's own thing until the load (you) is replaced by returning to ~1G. NSDQ
outlawal2 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 That is exactly the issue in real life as well.. There is no way to ascertain if you are in low-G... No gauge or tool to show you this and this is why it is such an insidious danger... Interestingly enough, the Robinson R22 and R44 have the exact same issue.. (Actually ANY helicopter using the same type of teeter rotor system has the issue) So the first thing my flight instructor told me was "Read what it says on the T-handle." A T-handle is Robinson's replacement for a real stick in their helicopters and it has a sticker right on the T-handle that says basically "DON'T MAKE LOW G MANEUVERS" So don't climb and then push the stick forward rapidaly causing a Low-G situation to occur.. They really stress, nice flowing SMOOTH actions at all times... "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
HuggyBear Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 In real life life you don't need a gauge, your arse will let you know if you are approaching 0.5G... it feels terrible! :) The Huey is actually fairly agile (though not compared to something like a BlackHawk) and can be thrown around quite vigorously. Wingovers can be pulled well past 90 degrees Angle of Bank... the pilot just needs to keep the disc loaded by keeping collective in and 'pulling' the aircraft through the maneouvre. - Bear Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. - Robert A. Heinlein
Suchacz Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 In real life life you don't need a gauge, your arse will let you know if you are approaching 0.5G... it feels terrible! :) - Bear Exactly, you will feel your stomach starting to travel slowly up to your throat. There's definitely no need for a gauge for that :lol: Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
Tango Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) the pilot just needs to keep the disc loaded by keeping collective in and 'pulling' the aircraft through the maneouvre. This is the key to prevention of mast bump. Don't unload the rotor - EVER. :thumbup: I'm seriously looking forward to the Huey - raw seat-of-the-pants rotorcraft flying. The Ka-50 is positively easy to fly by comparison. Best regards, Tango. Edited February 14, 2013 by Tango
Suchacz Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I'm looking forward, some zero-g maneuver will be the first thing what I will try. After getting her airborne of course :smilewink: Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
71st_Mastiff Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Hmmm...and I thought Mast Bumping was an event in the Gay Olympics. OT. I thought They only did this in the Navy when passing the ecuater? (mast Bumping):pilotfly::megalol: " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4080S|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
doright Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 What I learned from the video. In case of emergency, unload rotor, apply full and abrupt roll cyclic until rotor departs, then you can bail out.
The_Pharoah Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 I'd certianly hope so... It's a pretty important point in rotor dynamics. really? you WANT a design flaw modelled in a sim? what, so you can crash just because its cool? sorry mate I don't get it - and I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything but I don't think have a major design flaw is an important part of simming an aircraft. Why would you want to fly it then, if you know that at any time the rotors could come off and you turn into a stone? :doh: 1 AMD AM4 Ryzen7 3700X 3.6ghz/MSI AM4 ATX MAG X570 Tomahawk DDR4/32GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600mhz/1TB 970 Evo SSD/ASUS RTX2070 8gb Super
jimcarrel Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 really? you WANT a design flaw modelled in a sim? what, so you can crash just because its cool? sorry mate I don't get it - and I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything but I don't think have a major design flaw is an important part of simming an aircraft. Why would you want to fly it then, if you know that at any time the rotors could come off and you turn into a stone? :doh: Why not have the design flaw in the sim (ulator), besides, Rico is the kind of pilot that runs around singing a pilots favorite song..."antic-i-pation is making me wait" Win 10 64 bit Intel I-7 7700K 32GB Ram Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6gig
Blaze Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 really? you WANT a design flaw modelled in a sim? Of course the limitations (and consequences of exceeding them) would and should be modeled, all the more reason to fly it realistically. This is a sim, after all. i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
Pyroflash Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 really? you WANT a design flaw modelled in a sim? what, so you can crash just because its cool? sorry mate I don't get it - and I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything but I don't think have a major design flaw is an important part of simming an aircraft. Why would you want to fly it then, if you know that at any time the rotors could come off and you turn into a stone? :doh: Yeah, that's exactly what we want. If it was part of the design, it should be in the sim. It doesn't matter if it detracts from the aircraft. More importantly, it adds an added challenge to flying the airplane. 1 If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
The_Pharoah Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 Mate, I think just: 1. flying it; and 2. surviving in a warzone (full of Migs, SU25s, KA50s, SAMs, AAA, etc) should be more than enough to challenge you. :P AMD AM4 Ryzen7 3700X 3.6ghz/MSI AM4 ATX MAG X570 Tomahawk DDR4/32GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600mhz/1TB 970 Evo SSD/ASUS RTX2070 8gb Super
ec-swr Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 really? you WANT a design flaw modelled in a sim? Of course :doh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC].youtube
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