X-65F Stability

[iggsta3o5]

Ok so i got myself the X-65F and managed to get it operationally working to an extent but fine movements are choppy its as though the plane is bouncy and gun fighting is near impossible. I cant even rest my hand on the rest because it senses that force and jumps around. I checked the software and found that its shaking every time i try to pull on the stick there is not smooth transition if i try to turn at a certain angle with constant force it constantly jumps around. Pulling negative Gs in order to keep a plane strait as its speeding up causes the plane to bounce up and down. Ive tried using deadzones and curves please help

[algerad3]

hey, The x-65 is kinda different. It measures the amount of force you exert on it ( as you already know). It really needs a steady surface and a relaxed hand.

I normally use a platform I made (take a stick of lumber say 2" x 2" x3' , on that secure a platform to rest ( secure) your stick . Do the same for your throttle. Insert or attach to you desk/chair so that it rest in a position that allows your arm to rest on the armrest of your chair. The force of your hand on the hand rest will be reduced and finer input control will be had.

At first after transitioning from the x52 pro to the x65 , it was like butter. then for some reason i was having the same problems you described until I did the above.

Once that is done , you can better feel the force required to do as you please.

[aaron886]

Sounds as though you need to decrease the sensitivity, something that Saitek's software probably controls. For best results, it should require significant pressures to achieve maximum maneuvering potential.

[danilop]

The force sensitivity setting is way to high on the default driver settings (force required is very low). Basically they've tried to make X65F appeal to casual gamer who don't want to fix joystick to the table. You have to fix it to the table somehow (I use ordinary woodworking clamps :) because I can't have it permanently attached to the desk) and lower the sensitivity considerably (start with default MAX setting and go from there). BTW, fixing the HOTAS to the table fix the throttle "issue" as well - stiffness.

 

I'm on this settings ATM (rudder axis is not used, as I have dedicated pedals). I prefer equal sensitivity settings for X and Y axes. Small deadzone (5) is all that is needed in DCS controller axis setup:

 

 

When you lower the sensitivity (increase force setting in the driver), everything else seems to get way better - there is hardly any centering issues and response is not twitchy - I never use axis sensitivity setting (Curvature) in the DCS. You just need to build some wrist / arm muscles and overcome mental block caused by non-moving stick. Later you can increase force even further, mimicking the real force setting in F16 stick which is IIRC, about 16-18 lbsf or 7-8 kgf.

 

Give it a try! :joystick:

Edited March 22, 2013 by danilop

[iggsta3o5]

thx i will try these solutions