The Penguin

[Mizzy]

No nothing to do with Batman and Robin but I have noticed a big fat missile called the penguin in FC but I have no idea which aircraft I can fly carries it?

 

I just got 30 mins tonite flying and discovered this big fat missle from Norway, anyone know how to load it up?

 

Nite

 

Mizzy

[Yellonet]

SH-60 is the only one I know.. the carry one on the left side. For anti-shipping.

But I don't know if it can dive as the name implies ;) Would be nice with a dual anti-ship anti-sub weapon.

[504 Wolverine]

Norway's F-16's can also carry it as well IRL. Don't know if they can in Lock-on though.

[DarkStar]

of course, we invented it :D

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Has anyone had any success with the Penguin? Most times I use it (in v1.02) it seems to miss, landing in the water a few metres beyond the target ship. If I have several Helo's all launching, all the Penguins miss and seem to hit the water at the same spot.

 

It is a shame because it and the Kormoran are my favorite missiles, they leave a nice smoky trail all the way to the target. Fun mission to fly an Su-33 and try to defend friendly ships against a Penguin or Kormoran attack, by spotting the smoke trails and shooting down the missiles.

[Fjordmonkey]

Has anyone had any success with the Penguin? Most times I use it (in v1.02) it seems to miss, landing in the water a few metres beyond the target ship. If I have several Helo's all launching, all the Penguins miss and seem to hit the water at the same spot..

 

I'd say that was fairly accurately modeled behaviour :P

[Force_Feedback]

Remember, the thing is IR homing, and in real life, ships will be launching chaff and flares as well, but in lomac, you only have a pk as far as anti-shipping goes.

Too bad the Klinok system isn't moddled in lomac, that would make a Russian battle group nearly invincible, as it would have coverage for both long, medium, close and extremely close ranges. Only a Kh-22 can defeat it then.

And I wish the CIWS logic was corrected, so a CIWS's gun system would aim AHEAD of an incoming missile, instead of at it, this applies to the Phalanx/Goalkeeper, Kortik and AK-630 systems.

The Khinzhal and Uragan systems on the Neustrashimiy are abscent, as well as the aging Shtorm missile system on the Moscow.

[Alfa]

Remember, the thing is IR homing, and in real life, ships will be launching chaff and flares as well, but in lomac, you only have a pk as far as anti-shipping goes.

Too bad the Klinok system isn't moddled in lomac, that would make a Russian battle group nearly invincible, as it would have coverage for both long, medium, close and extremely close ranges. Only a Kh-22 can defeat it then.

And I wish the CIWS logic was corrected, so a CIWS's gun system would aim AHEAD of an incoming missile, instead of at it, this applies to the Phalanx/Goalkeeper, Kortik and AK-630 systems.

The Khinzhal and Uragan systems on the Neustrashimiy are abscent, as well as the aging Shtorm missile system on the Moscow.

 

Eh....I think you have misunderstood a couple of things there FF :)

 

The Klinok system is very much modelled in Lock-on - present on both the "Neustrashimy" and the "Kuznetsov" and its general characteristics are modelled fairly accurately(its missile launch sequence is a little off though).

 

"Uragan"? - the "Neustrashimy" has the Klinok and Kashtan AD systems. Kinzhal = Klinok..."Kinzhal"("Dagger") is the name of the missile, while "Klinok" is the name of the AD system as such. It is the same relationship between "Kortik" and "Kashtan"....i.e. "Kortik" is the missile, while "Kashtan" is the name of the AD system as such.

 

"Shtorm"? - the "Moscow" has the S-300F "Rif" system for "theatre defence" and the short range "Osa" system for self defence - the "Osa" is sort of the predecessor to the "Klinok" system.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Force_Feedback]

Yes, I mistook the Moscow "class" ingame for the Moscow helicopter carrier. So the Shtorm missile shouldn't be ingame.

 

However, the Uragan system is on the Neustrashiniy class, featuring the 9М38/9M38M1 missile (kind of like a SM-2 copy)

 

I always thought the Kashtan system was an export variant of the Kortik system, which has been discontinued in 1994. (so only Kashtan exist now). About the Khinzal system, yes, but I was referring to its interaction with the Ak-360M gun, I thought to be on the Neustrashimiy :redface:.

 

anyways, the CIWS systems lack inertial compensation, and that can be either corrected by adding that, or replacing the 30mm guns with "lasers of doom" :p

[Alfa]

Yes, I mistook the Moscow "class" ingame for the Moscow helicopter carrier. So the Shtorm missile shouldn't be ingame.

 

Hehe....

 

However, the Uragan system is on the Neustrashiniy class, featuring the 9М38/9M38M1 missile (kind of like a SM-2 copy)

 

Ay FF,

 

1). the system employing the 9M38M1 you are refering to is the "Shtil".

 

2). the Shtil system is installed only on the Pr. 956 and upgraded Pr. 956A (Nato: "Sovremenny class") destroyer and more recently the upgraded Shtil-1(featuring the new 9M317 missile) was installed on Pr. 1135.6 "Talwar" frigates(new "Krivak" version) purchased by the Indian navy.

 

The Pr. 1154 ("Neustrashimy class") frigate does not have the Shtil system, but only Klinok and Kashtan self defence AD systems, as it is primarily ASW oriented.

 

3). I fail to see how the Shtil/9M38M1 missile combination bares much resemblence to the AEGIS/SM-2 missile ditto - the former is an effective, yet relatively slow firing "area defence" system using a single rail deck launcher fed by a below-deck carussel loader and 3x single channel tracking radars, while the latter is a fast firing "theatre defence" vertical launch system(VLS) using the multi-channel AEGIS phased array radar system.

 

The "Klinok" system(which the Neustrashimy does have) has more resemblence to the AEGIS/SM-2 in terms of launching system(VLS), firing rate and even associated radar(also multi-channel phased array). BUT...unlike the AEGIS/SM-2, the Klinok/Kinzhal is a short range dedicated self-defence system intended only for protection of the ship on which it is installed.

 

I always thought the Kashtan system was an export variant of the Kortik system, which has been discontinued in 1994. (so only Kashtan exist now). About the Khinzal system, yes, but I was referring to its interaction with the Ak-360M gun, I thought to be on the Neustrashimiy :redface:.

 

Well both the above mentioned "Shtil" and "Klinok" AD systems can interact with(take control of) AK-630 CIWS, while the combat modules of the "Kashtan" system of course have their own integrated Gsh-6-30K guns.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Mizzy]

Hehe....

 

 

 

Ay FF,

 

1). the system employing the 9M38M1 you are refering to is the "Shtil".

 

2). the Shtil system is installed only on the Pr. 956 and upgraded Pr. 956A (Nato: "Sovremenny class") destroyer and more recently the upgraded Shtil-1(featuring the new 9M317 missile) was installed on Pr. 1135.6 "Talwar" frigates(new "Krivak" version) purchased by the Indian navy.

 

The Pr. 1154 ("Neustrashimy class") frigate does not have the Shtil system, but only Klinok and Kashtan self defence AD systems, as it is primarily ASW oriented.

 

3). I fail to see how the Shtil/9M38M1 missile combination bares much resemblence to the AEGIS/SM-2 missile ditto - the former is an effective, yet relatively slow firing "area defence" system using a single rail deck launcher fed by a below-deck carussel loader and 3x single channel tracking radars, while the latter is a fast firing "theatre defence" vertical launch system(VLS) using the multi-channel AEGIS phased array radar system.

 

The "Klinok" system(which the Neustrashimy does have) has more resemblence to the AEGIS/SM-2 in terms of launching system(VLS), firing rate and even associated radar(also multi-channel phased array). BUT...unlike the AEGIS/SM-2, the Klinok/Kinzhal is a short range dedicated self-defence system intended only for protection of the ship on which it is installed.

 

 

 

Well both the above mentioned "Shtil" and "Klinok" AD systems can interact with(take control of) AK-630 CIWS, while the combat modules of the "Kashtan" system of course have their own integrated Gsh-6-30K guns.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

 

Ehh... whats all this :eek: :)

 

Anyway does anyone know how I can stick a couple of Penguins on my Su25t? I like the look of them.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Mizzy.

[Force_Feedback]

There is some kind of .lua somewhere for the su-25T in which all the allowable (su-25T native) weapons are defined. Don't know where it is though.

[504 Wolverine]

So let me get this straight, you want a h4x for the only plane that we have that you cannot loadout with any "illegal" weapons all because you want to hang a missile on it that you think looks good. A missile, I may add that you could never fire or use because the proper targeting systems are not be modeled for it.

 

The logic in this escapes me.

[Force_Feedback]

To properly test the various guided missiles ingame, even the ones that need laser guidance or a tv designation. And, no, don't be worried that I'll use all this online, because 1), my pc is way too crappy to fly the su-25t online, and 2) I suck with it big time, and 3) I'll never "hack" online becasue it's lame.

Is somebody wanted hints, he could just set the missile's weight to 1 and have like 10 of them per pylon.

All I want to find (and im too lazy to find it) are the .luas with the weapon "restrictions" for the 25t, so I can test missiles. I don't think it's hard-coded into the .exe.

[504 Wolverine]

Well to start my comments weren't directed at you to begin with. :tongue: I am not questioning your use of weapons like this online but you always get the bad apples that use the likes of lope etc to cheat because they have no skill and would use any info you uncover to unlock the 25T to carry all sorts of things online.

 

I was told by a little birdy that the weapons for the Su-25T were hardcoded but I was unsure what this meant (don't know programming) but by your previous comments I now think that it is hardcoded into the .exe

 

Could someone confirm what hardcoded means.

[Mizzy]

So let me get this straight, you want a h4x for the only plane that we have that you cannot loadout with any "illegal" weapons all because you want to hang a missile on it that you think looks good. A missile, I may add that you could never fire or use because the proper targeting systems are not be modeled for it.

 

The logic in this escapes me.

 

What the hell are you talking about "illegal" ? what on earth is illegal about it? . I think you are taking this a bit too serious sir

 

Let me get this straight, I DON'T play online and if I want two penguins on my Su25 or F3004 or a flying elephant, I can do what I want when I want and how I want in the privacy of my own home.

 

I do not play simulations for any military realism whatsoever, is that alright with you! So since I don't play online I am not doing anyone any harm am I. So is it ok for me to play my FC game the way I want to. If it isn't....hard luck.

 

Conversation ended.

 

Best wishes

 

Mizzy :D