Would you want/ allow flyable civilian aircraft in DCS

[Rongor]

For the principle, why not.

But I think DCS World, as in its current state, would not fit with liners.

Liners in DCS World would be much frustrating for those who want to make real-time long-courrier flight. (Lack of ATC, Metar, Weather onboard radar,...)

That is the best argument pro civilian traffic. To increase the demand for ATC implementation and stuff.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Anything that encourages more people to join DCS World is good IMO. We're heading in the right direction too, see Wags point no. 7.

 

Now that we are getting very close to integrating EDGE into DCS, I can share a few more details.

 

1- DirectX 11 / DirectX 11 Windows 8 based.

2- Can support up to four GPU (either SLI or CF).

3- Uses clip maps.

4- Two cloud layers can be created with options for none, cumulous, cumulous nimbus, and stratus.

5- Terrain shadow projection is supported.

6- World can be as large as the designer wishes them to be, it is more of a question of development time / map detail.

7- Option to project map on globe surface.

[Flanker52]

I'd love to see DCS make civilian planes. Either smaller prop or airliners would be great. As a few others pointed out - main issue I see is the lack of scenery. It would be pretty lame flying a 737 only in the crimea.

 

We'd really need a good chunk of European map (or elsewhere) to utilize airliners.

 

But it would be awesome going through the real procedures of a big airliner. One day perhaps.

[Weta43]

A civilian faction in the game would be a good idea - both for SP & MP - it could make for some interesting discipline on both sides in some scenarios (coalition shoots down civilian plane - coalition loses moral high-ground, loses battle.) If you're going to have one, why not have it human controlled ?

 

You'd need to fly on some well organised servers if you were a civilian pilot though (or non-combat servers)

[McBlemmen]

It depends , the only civ aircraft i like to fly in sims are large airliners, but that would be so out of place. Now , a C130 or something like that i could get on board with.

 

 

Edit : imagine having transports in multiplayer , that can alnd at airfields to give them supply (like fuel and ammo). Would be awesome

Edited April 25, 2014 by McBlemmen

[wernst]

CIV aircrafts in DCS? Yes, but special planes with special challenges

 

CIV aircrafts in DCS? This is not a valid question for me.

As real PPL pilot I fully enjoy flying DCS planes: A-10C, UH-1H and P-51D.

But always unarmed. Never done any combat mission. Flying itself is the fun factor for me in the DCS world.

Just enjoying the high fidelity simulation of the aircraft systems and adore the perfect flight model.

Each aircraft has its very own flying challenge and provides different immersion feelings.

Technique and flight character of each aircraft has been amazingly well engineered for the sim.

Flying an ILS approach with the A-10C in a rainy night, land the UH-1H on a flat roof

or exercise touch and go with crosswind in the P-51D taildragger keeps my blood pressure always in an unhealthy range.

The immersion feeling is as near to reality as it ever can get.

No other (noncommercial) flight sim is even close to this experience which DCS planes give.

DCS is unique in this sense.

 

On my wish list for CIV planes are not planes like B747 or a C150/172, not at all.

If you want to fly a B747 from e.g. KLAX to EDDF take a B747 of FSX, switch the AP to ON and lean back for more than 12 hours.

If you arrive in bad weather at EDDF let the AP do the ILS approach. If AUTO BRAKE is on, you may even sleep until the Jumbo stands still.

Does this kind of simulation give you any challenge or Immersion feeling?

Does this kind of straight level flight need an ATC? Why a worldwide map?

 

Here we are. For some of us combat is the main challenge, flying is the vehicle for it.

For others flying is the main challenge. Airplanes are the vehicles for it, regardless whether they are built for MIL or CIV missions.

 

Here is my wish list for new DCS aircrafts.

All of them have flight challenges, which are different to the challenges of the existent planes:

 

EXTRA 300 or YAK 50

Pure aerobatic beasts. The challenge here is flying maneuvers involving aircraft attitudes that are not used in normal flight.

No bombs, no complex flight system, only a broad set of “extra” piloting skills is required.

 

DC-3 / C47

Taming the biggest taildragger on earth. Control the two P&W 1200 HP radial engines properly.

Basic NAV aids only. The challenge starts even before take-off by keeping the DC-3 right on the taxiway.

 

L-39 Albatros

Solid built single engine jet, two seated trainer, aerobatic capable (see famous aerobatic team Wjasma Rus),

L-39 is considered to be underpowered, which means you have to care keeping the bird flying at low speed.

 

 

Happy flying - safe landings

Edited May 26, 2014 by wernst

[Flanker52]

It would be great if some of the companies or people making the really high-quality Civilian stuff for FSX/X-Plane would jump on board with DCS.

 

Not only would a lot of DCS fans love to fly commercial aircraft but I think this would pull in a lot of new customers who prefer non-combat flying.

 

Hell - I'd love to have something simple like a basic single engine Cessna. Anything is fun and challenging when it's at the high-fidelity detail that DCS puts out. The necessary information would also be extremely available since we're not dealing with highly classified military equipment.

 

I'm not suggesting DCS put a ton of their own resources into this but I would think there are a lot of options for 3rd party developers to add commercial aircraft to DCS.

 

Really hope this happens eventually.

[Flanker52]

DC-3 / C47

Taming the biggest taildragger on earth. Control the two P&W 1200 HP radial engines properly.

Basic NAV aids only. The challenge starts even before take-off by keeping the DC-3 right on the taxiway.

 

L-39 Albatros

Solid built single engine jet, two seated trainer, aerobatic capable (see famous aerobatic team Wjasma Rus),

L-39 is considered to be underpowered, which means you have to care keeping the bird flying at low speed.

 

 

Happy flying - safe landings

 

L-39 is actually almost completed and will be available soon.

 

C-47/DC-3 is a great idea. Maybe see a Vietnam era spooky and also the civilian version of the standard DC-3.

[HellToupee]

I'ld like to see an an-2

[Soulres]

E-2D and E-3C Awacs!

[Ktulu2]

THat one is a must. But you'd want to check that the one doing is good.

[WRAITH]

ED-DCS WORLD SIMULATIONS

 

I'm just curious would a high fidelity civilian aircraft be ok by this group? Would DCS allow it? We know in the future it looks like we will time appropriate servers (ww2, Vietnam, etc). Everyday thousands guys fly airliners from A-B in a virtual airspace with in some cases guys playing as ATC. We all know that FSX flight models are garbage. In real life guys are flying around civilian stuff while military operations are conducted. Would you buy anything from a glider to a 747? All high fidelity. Just curious your thoughts.

 

Hi all, I voted YES!

 

But, yeah that ugly word.... LoL

 

Lets chat about it, there is so much this sim needs so priority would be better after Update 2.0.0 + EDGE release for 3rd Party Developers to start on a entire Global Map Development. Then you can fly commercial aviation all over the world.

 

More like what FSX has a achieved............. http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Mixed%20Pics/WORLDMAPEXMAPLE_zpsbb9505d4.png

 

There is no reason why we cant have busy air ways and airports with pilots flying 747's, Piper Seneca V, Red Bull Aerobatic Extra XL300S Air Races or even P-51D Mustang Cross Country Air Races.

 

This will add to further entertainment to SP A.i and MP flights as we protect and guard military air space and fly the same flight routes to international airports.

 

A good workout for ATC / Tower crews not forgetting ground crew......those poor ATC caffeinated stress heads...LoL

 

 

More information here:-

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_aviation

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_aviation

 

http://www.recreationalflying.com/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_sports

 

http://www.airrace.org/

 

http://www.redbullairrace.com/en_INT

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aviation

 

 

I hope this makes more sense as a general concept No point in flying a 747 Airliner in Georgian air space over crowding flight routes.:doh: :lol:

 

Or running into my new F-18E in the NTR MAP with a 747, dont you dare scratch my new F-18E when I get it..... LoL

 

A few weeks ago I was asking Developers/ED Testers /Mods in Forum this very question .........

 

"What is the DCS Concept moving forward"?

 

If the concept is more about creating a world where you have:-

 

 

• Military Air Craft - in Wars, Exercises, Missions and Operations.
  
• Commercial Air Craft - Transport, Civilian flying Routes to National and International Airports and Aerodromes.
  
• Recreation - Gliders, Aerobatics and Small Charter Air Craft
  
• Sport Competition Red Bull Air Races XL300S and Cross Country P-51 Air Races
  
• Global Map Environment
  
• Single-Player and Multi-Player
  
• A.i Instructor Training SP and MP
  
• Fully operational ATC and ground crew Airport Bases and Aerodromes
  

It would be awesome! At the moment I personally do not understand the direction of the simulator, but willing to wait and see!

 

Imagine though you can transition and train on various aspects of flying and air combat! :thumbup:

 

You can then add a Instructor Pilot in realistic training modules for real certification, instrument rating assessments like getting a PPL, CPL, MCL etc ....... like in FSX training modules but better a more realistic approach.

 

In my opinion you can have it all, I really don't see why you cant, but development must be step by step one after the they other.

 

Heck Developers need to stop developing for the old FSX Sim and start working on ED-DCS as 3rd Parties, Yeah!:smilewink: :thumbup:

 

Believe me I am full of ideas and all for choices lots of great opinions and ideas in Forum.

 

FSX was a good platform for this and ED-DCS can be better at it! :thumbup:

 

Oh boy love to dream!

 

Think of it like this in terms of Military and Commercial Aviation, watch till the end ......................

 

 

Nice ha!

 

But, (Theres that ugly word again) so much to fix in this sim still, first ......... http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=185 :cry:

 

I.e.

 

Better PFM and Behavior, Weapons Systems, Modern Fighter Air Craft, Full Click-able Cockpits, at least 60% Working Avionics, Improved A.i, Bug Free Sim, A-G + A-A Radar, HOBBS or JHMCS, improved TGP and HTS pods and new systems, better Single-Player Functionality....... the list is huge certainly need more 3rd Parties to accomplish a dream like this. :cry:

 

Maybe just wait another 5 Years and see what the DCS sim is like then!

 

Cheers,

 

:beer:

Edited September 6, 2014 by WRAITH

[jctrnacty]

It would be great to get c130 and play escort missions i know its not civilian airplane but feeling flying this elephant and be protected by f15s im MP must be great.

 

As for civil planes give us pmdg 777 :-)

[Teapot]

It doesn't have to be a civilian plane. It can be a support plane used by military that also fly in the civilian world.

 

1. Pilatus PC-6 Porter

2. Caribou's

3. Kingair's

4. MU-2B's

5. Chinook's

6. C-130 Herc's

7. Sikorsky SeaKing (I'd LOVE one of these .. )

8. AN-24

9. AN-26

10. Nimrod ... (might still be 2 much classified stuff?)

 

The list is long ..

 

We already have the Huey ...

[shagrat]

And the TF-51D... I never heard anyone complaining about that civilian plane.

[Rangi]

It doesn't have to be a civilian plane. It can be a support plane used by military that also fly in the civilian world.

 

1. Pilatus PC-6 Porter

2. Caribou's

3. Kingair's

4. MU-2B's

5. Chinook's

6. C-130 Herc's

7. Sikorsky SeaKing (I'd LOVE one of these .. )

8. AN-24

9. AN-26

10. Nimrod ... (might still be 2 much classified stuff?)

 

The list is long ..

 

We already have the Huey ...

 

Yep PC-6 would be at the top of my list as well, but we would need to be able to place short rough dirt strips to make proper use of it. I remember fondly the Australian Army porters landing on the football fields at the local army base and using less than half the ground to come to a stop (Aussie rules football grounds are the same size as a cricket ground, a bit bigger than a soccer pitch).

[Falcon_S]

Wouldn't it defeat the purpose of the name "Digital Combat Simulator"?

 

Explained. :thumbup:

[WRAITH]

It doesn't have to be a civilian plane. It can be a support plane used by military that also fly in the civilian world.

 

1. Pilatus PC-6 Porter

2. Caribou's

3. Kingair's

4. MU-2B's

5. Chinook's

6. C-130 Herc's

7. Sikorsky SeaKing (I'd LOVE one of these .. )

8. AN-24

9. AN-26

10. Nimrod ... (might still be 2 much classified stuff?)

 

The list is long ..

 

We already have the Huey ...

 

Hi Teapot,

 

Yeah, believe me I certainly get what your saying thats why I posted in these Threads............

 

 

• http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129053 :thumbup:
  

 

 

 

• http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129049 :thumbup:
  

 

Although original poster wants Civilian/Commercial Aviation like A380's or a Piper Seneca etc and at DCS level and yep it would be awesome! :thumbup:

 

So I do support OP opinion and I would also support that in future though if you read above post as to whats priority now!

 

But great minds think alike! :thumbup: :smilewink:

 

Cheers,

 

:beer:

Edited September 6, 2014 by WRAITH

[shagrat]

Explained.

No, it wouldn't. Up to 80% of the armed forces consist of non combat related units. Civilian planes are used for troop transport. Surveillance and special missions... they have a place in most conflicts. Apart from the already posted argument, they can be cool for some pretty diverse missions.

[WRAITH]

No, it wouldn't. Up to 80% of the armed forces consist of non combat related units. Civilian planes are used for troop transport. Surveillance and special missions... they have a place in most conflicts. Apart from the already posted argument, they can be cool for some pretty diverse missions.

 

Also no reason why we simply cant have busy air-ways and busy Airports and ATC's being a Flight Sim embracing all.

 

First the Modern Air Combat then Civilian but read through my above post here as to why.......... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2167455&postcount=189

 

I see no problem as long as there is a "Concept and Evolution" of the DCS Sim being all it could be and more! :thumbup:

[shagrat]

Totally agree. Though civilian planes should not be the priority, they do no harm but enrich the environment and possibilities... and keep in mind the resources put on 'civilian' aircrafts won't be the same doing the Fighters you all crave so much. Mostly I see an opportunity for 3rd parties to hop into DCS...

[WRAITH]

Totally agree. Though civilian planes should not be the priority, they do no harm but enrich the environment and possibilities... and keep in mind the resources put on 'civilian' aircrafts won't be the same doing the Fighters you all crave so much. Mostly I see an opportunity for 3rd parties to hop into DCS...

 

 

Exactly $$$$$ boosting the brand! :smilewink::thumbup: and making the sim better as well for all types of simmers.

 

 

Why well FSX is now reached end of life as far as code wise, so where to now.

 

I shout Please come and develop for DCS we need heaps of................. MAPS, Planes, Jets, Helo's etc............. you name it ...... now get to work..................................

 

I also posted some thought on FM and Air Craft Development here .............. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2167567&postcount=13

 

For efficient Development and sooner releases.............. well its a discussion at best...............

Edited September 7, 2014 by WRAITH

[Buzpilot]

It doesn't have to be a civilian plane. It can be a support plane used by military that also fly in the civilian world.

 

1. Pilatus PC-6 Porter

2. Caribou's

3. Kingair's

4. MU-2B's

5. Chinook's

6. C-130 Herc's

7. Sikorsky SeaKing (I'd LOVE one of these .. )

8. AN-24

9. AN-26

10. Nimrod ... (might still be 2 much classified stuff?)

 

The list is long ..

 

We already have the Huey ...

 

That #2 Caribou could be fun to have, for infantry transport, and maybe some stunts like this vid show.

 

Edited September 6, 2014 by Buzpilot

[MACADEMIC]

Give us a Tiger Moth and a Bücker Jungmann, please. Also wouldn't mind a Yak 18-T...

 

MAC

[Flanker52]

I'ld like to see an an-2

 

I second that.

 

With its crazy low stall rate, it would be really interesting to fly. Maybe have some missions where you sneak in low under radar dropping off spec ops guys.

 

The AN-2 has been so mass produced, they must be in abundance in Europe.