Would you want/ allow flyable civilian aircraft in DCS

[Grim_Smiles]

Who says player controlled civilian aircraft have to be on combat servers in MP? Are some people not aware there are aerobatic servers out there without any combat? Not to mention that many flying civilian planes are likely to just do it SP anyway? So there doesn't have to be counter measures, weapons or evading for these planes. Now, if you actually want to take a Cessna into a combat server? Good luck.

[BooMaster097]

Who says player controlled civilian aircraft have to be on combat servers in MP? Are some people not aware there are aerobatic servers out there without any combat? Not to mention that many flying civilian planes are likely to just do it SP anyway? So there doesn't have to be counter measures, weapons or evading for these planes. Now, if you actually want to take a Cessna into a combat server? Good luck.

See, now what you said can be used in FSX. I believe ED should stop screwing around and work on things that actually NEED to be fixed. But thats my opinion.

[Irregular programming]

See, now what you said can be used in FSX. I believe ED should stop screwing around and work on things that actually NEED to be fixed. But thats my opinion.

 

When has ED screwed around in your opinion?

[NRG-Vampire]

See, now what you said can be used in FSX. I believe ED should stop screwing around and work on things that actually NEED to be fixed. But thats my opinion.

 

jeees guys, dont f**k up my mind :D

no mission maker will add civilian ACs in mission (for dogfight) except escort them :doh:

 

same with DCS: Mustang and other WWII ACs in multiplayer:

only a crazy mission maker guy drop mustang into mission where fulcrums and flankers fly

[Grim_Smiles]

See, now what you said can be used in FSX. I believe ED should stop screwing around and work on things that actually NEED to be fixed. But thats my opinion.

 

Need to use a little imagination here on just how much something like this can actually help accomplish those things you want. hegykc said it best so I'll drop his comment here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1833511&postcount=7

Why? There's probably 10 times more civil aviation simmers then there are military ones.

Wouldn't you want ED and partners to make 10 times the money they're making now??

That could be the difference between pushing out a military module every couple of years, and pushing out a couple every year.

 

Civilian aircraft require less work to model than military, because you don't have to worry about the lack of information (classified material) or concern yourself with modeling weapon systems. Meaning more modules that can be developed that in turn get purchased - earning ED more income. This allows for bigger staffing and resources so that faster progress can be made on fixing bugs, stability and development. While some things simply take time no matter what, more manpower and resources make a difference.

[Jabu]

I know this has probably already been mentioned but as a huge FSX user as well as DCS so many of the companies that make for FSX have said they would love to produce to DCS. Only problem they have is it's maps and not world. All of them play and love DCS also.

[NRG-Vampire]

Only problem they have is it's maps and not world. All of them play and love DCS also.

 

hopefully it will change in the future

an i hope with edge we will get many new maps - cconnected on the world where we will able to fly from Tbilisi to Las Vegas (in a mission - just like in FSX)

Edited August 11, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well, are the 3rd party devs who produce(d) high fidelity addons for FSX even aware of DCS as a platform?im just wondering.i guess im by far not the only one who would buy a civilian plane on DCS level for dcs world instantly.

even now with only one map available.

there are certainly very good addons available for FSX, but the real problem with FSX in my view is the flight physics.they really suck.sorry but DCS is universes ahead compared to FSX in that regard.

i bought a Katana addon for FSX, as this is the very first plane im currently getting flight hours on.

and while the addon itself is done really well, every single knob,lever, button, just everything is working,...the overall feel of flight really is disturbing and has absolutely nothing to do with real life.so thats why i dont fly it at all.

i think, dcs would definitely benefit big time from the civilian flight sim market.as others have said already, im also of the opinion that there are many more civilian flight simmers out there then combat flight simmers.and FSX, although there are still addons produced, the sim itself, the engine is dead, not improved anymore.

i just think that there is a big market only waiting for another civilian flight sim.

it definitely wouldnt hurt us to have civilian planes available as well for dcs, its the opposite i think.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

RealAir are one of the best for producing GA content for FSX. Not sure of they know of DCS.

 

PMDG produce phenomenal airliners for FSX. They do know of, and play, DCS. Unfortunately, until DCS covers most if not all of the entire planet, they're unlikely produce any content for it.

[BLACKHOLE79]

THIS IS DIGITAL COMBAT SIMULATOR. If you are going to make this just a sim i suggest you change the name to like digital flight simulator....

[GeorgeLKMT]

Some civ/transport planes will change the fact that the DCS is full of military units? Why so afraid? Why so negative?

 

Exactly. I don't get this. It's not like we lose something, it's actually other way around. The more the merrier. And if you don't like it, don't buy it. For me, FSX is getting old and I don't like X-Plane, so if DCS had some GA and civ airplanes, I would be in sim heaven. :pilotfly: Other thing is that developers probably don't want to waste their time while developing civ airplane for DCS, because FSX has much bigger market.

[Nealius]

Civilian aircraft? No. The world isn't large enough, and the Georgian theater is getting very boring.

 

 

HOWEVER I think it would be interesting to have flyable military transports.

[SkateZilla]

Civilian planes add another dimension to missions.

 

Civilian Scouts, Civilian Air Traffic Effecting your Engagements (making them more challenging etc).

 

Escorts, Intercepts, Non Military Targets (ie Drug Lords, Terrorist Cell Leaders etc).

[BLACKHOLE79]

Funny, where have you experienced your first multiplayer air to air combat, in P-51 or what? this community had AFM for Su-25/Su-25T since FC2, long time befor Ka-50 or A-10C.

 

There is nothing else that has been out there that can give you as good immersion in air to air multiplayer combat as FC series, Lets hope DCS will provide something to shot at for DCS F-18.

 

Civilian aircrafts should be done by 3d party developers, not by ED. having more aircrafts to fly is never bad.

 

agreed

[Silver_Dragon]

Some are losing the true extent of DCS: World. Remember them:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1480510&postcount=1

DCS stands for “Digital Combat Simulator”. DCS is a world simulation engine permitting the user to operate or direct a growing number of combat and civilian aircraft, ground vehicles and ships, from different historical eras, in different geographical locations and at different levels of fidelity.

[SkateZilla]

Civilian Planes can and are used in Combat..

 

A few members in the last few pages need to step back and take a breathe,

Edited August 16, 2013 by SkateZilla

[enigma6584]

@TooTall You are my hero!

[-MadCat-]

@BLACKHOLE

 

I think it was Wags himself who once explained what DCS really is.

It is not supposed to picture a specific theatre, a specific time frame or anything the like.

This came up last time as the P-51 was announced and many asked "why the P-51, it doesn't stand a chance against an AIM-9".

 

DCS is a baseframe to integrate aircrafts into, without any claim to match or balance the individual additions against each other.

 

So I'd say, ED is totally free to add whatever they want to.

 

And on a friendly side note, you may want to chose your words more carefully, or else I predict you'll soon run into more than just a little dispute with fellow forum members.

 

edit: +1 for civil additions, MD500D/E please :)

 

Greetings

MadCat

Edited August 16, 2013 by -=MadCat=-

[TimeKilla]

@TooTall You are my hero!

 

+1

 

Is Robert back? :music_whistling:

 

I've never anything that suggests 3rd Parties won't be allowed to make or add civi models, I have even asked IRIS who said that they're not going down that line but that's because they already have there hand in FSX not because they don't want to or should not. Once the new engine comes in it might just open this side up and am sure if there's money to be made it will be explored.

Edited August 16, 2013 by TimeKilla

[BLACKHOLE79]

well, are the 3rd party devs who produce(d) high fidelity addons for FSX even aware of DCS as a platform?im just wondering.i guess im by far not the only one who would buy a civilian plane on DCS level for dcs world instantly.

even now with only one map available.

there are certainly very good addons available for FSX, but the real problem with FSX in my view is the flight physics.they really suck.sorry but DCS is universes ahead compared to FSX in that regard.

i bought a Katana addon for FSX, as this is the very first plane im currently getting flight hours on.

and while the addon itself is done really well, every single knob,lever, button, just everything is working,...the overall feel of flight really is disturbing and has absolutely nothing to do with real life.so thats why i dont fly it at all.

i think, dcs would definitely benefit big time from the civilian flight sim market.as others have said already, im also of the opinion that there are many more civilian flight simmers out there then combat flight simmers.and FSX, although there are still addons produced, the sim itself, the engine is dead, not improved anymore.

i just think that there is a big market only waiting for another civilian flight sim.

it definitely wouldnt hurt us to have civilian planes available as well for dcs, its the opposite i think.

I completely agree with you sir! your point on flight model is spot on and another poster's comment about the maps being too small is another fact that illustrates some incompatibility. I SOOO agree that there should be a new civ flight sim , i completely understand that the market would improve FOR dcs, now I just want to ask a simple question without being flamed for my opinion. I believe that this could be a reality if these flamers could respect the game. I cannot tell you how many times i have gone to servers that only teamkill and shootdown newcomers. This in my opinion will only cause problems for people who just want to fly. There was this kid playing with tigerteam fsx that was flying a really long flight and it was his first time he had his calculations correct and it was only to get shot down by some shill on final. This kid was crying man. i felt bad as hell for him but there was nothing i could do. Im sorry if my opinion hurts fxs ppl but I firmly believe that combat and civ should be separate. good post david

[BLACKHOLE79]

Civilian aircraft? No. The world isn't large enough, and the Georgian theater is getting very boring.

 

 

HOWEVER I think it would be interesting to have flyable military transports.

YESSSSS!!!!! EXACTLY!!!

[TimeKilla]

There are certainly very good addons available for FSX, but the real problem with FSX in my view is the flight physics.they really suck.sorry but DCS is universes ahead compared to FSX in that regard.

i bought a Katana addon for FSX, as this is the very first plane im currently getting flight hours on.

and while the addon itself is done really well, every single knob,lever, button, just everything is working,...the overall feel of flight really is disturbing and has absolutely nothing to do with real life.so thats why i dont fly it at all.

 

I believed the same then I got into A2A Sim Planes that have accu-sim and that brings a whole new world that opens up in FSX and they also have full working cockpit's up to DCS level only issue is they cost a lot and it's only the one addon maker that has accu-sim technology.

Edited August 16, 2013 by TimeKilla
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[NRG-Vampire]

man, i really really dont know what you knew but what is clearly visible you will not be a costumer of any civy planes here

 

yes, i hope DCS (with many new maps/sceneries) will be one day a suitable counterpart of FSX (and even better)

unfotunately right now there are no better commercial sim with full world than FSX/Prepar3D but im sure on one day DCSW will be better - the best

 

maybe landing is not exciting for you with hundreds of tons and/or hundreds of passangers on board - so you should try it at night and in a storm

 

and you will be surprised: many members of this forum would like to see gliders, ultralights, acro props, experimentals, tankers, spy-aircrafts in DCS World as well as cessnas, boeings, airbuses and hydroplanes

not even mentioning trains, ships, WWII and WWI aircrafts - of course all of them without countermeasures (except spy planes and AF1)

 

catch it up: civilian aircrafts (and all what is mentioned above) parts of real life and parts of combat sims too - even in ARMA

 

so your case is simple: do not buy any modul of aircraft which has not got chaff and flares on it and weaponless :D if it arrives

 

ps: poll results shows what people think about this story

Edited August 16, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[BadK]

I say yes without having read the entire thread. It probably has already been mentioned and to me it seems that having civil and commercial aviation available could/would possibly attract more attention by those 3rd parties who are in the biz of making map scenery.

Edited August 16, 2013 by BadK
Just saw Vamps post above.

[JaseGill]

I don't know why anyone is so anti civil aircraft here. The more the merrier and no matter what the type is we can all learn something about flying from it.

Some developers out there don't want to do hardcore mil aircraft but could do great hardcore civil aircraft using the benefits of the DCS engine, if nothing else it'll keep the simulation world alive and well for us all to enjoy.

Some civil aircraft are as much fun too. That's coming from someone whose flown military jets, helicopters and civil types too by the way. Some military types are derivatives of civil types too, are you saying these shouldn't be modelled either? I remember a certain armed crop sprayer lookalike at one point being the favourite for the next DCS fixed wing aircraft.

Oh and for all the military lovers who want to shoot something down (and don't mind if its civil) I have 2 things to say:

1. If you want to be a military hardcore guy our Armed Forces are always looking for willing, skilled people to replace our lost comrades, by the way the bad guys shoot back and theres no ESC key or its like in sight ;)

2. Given what I've experienced in a Pitts S2 and an SU26 I would love to see you get guns on me in DCS or real life ;)