Kang Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 That's what LOD management is for. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumphigh Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kang said: That's what LOD management is for. Maybe. Of course a spinning rotor head will be replaced by a special animation but there are users in the Huey forum who want polygon rivets on a UH-1 overhaul. I'm asking if you fly better if such details are made of high res polygons instead of bump maps? Flight model, weapons and system functionality are crucial, not a good looking mock up of a BO 105 PAH. I don't see me buying any new module because of my old RX 570. I got 55+ frames on the old 2.5.6, now I'm glad if I can reach 45 fps with 2.7.9. But as a low flying heli pilot terrain isn't looking that better than before. If you need a RTX 3090 to get more than single digit fps with the Apache there is something wrong with DCS. If there's LOD management it isn't very effective. Sorry to say but I do not see a bright future for DCS. At least not for me. Edited February 5, 2022 by jumphigh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 All lights on 20 3 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 3 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumphigh Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, kotor633 said: And what does that have to do with the actual thread? This is about BO-105 PAH1A1 progress news. Just start your own thread. thank you Progress news show a good locking mock up, nothing more. I'm asking if it's over the top, since polygon rivets don't make a better pilot out of you. Nobody knows how hot render graphics performs in DCS. Judging from other new modules like the Apache I have low expectations. Now it's your turn! Edited February 18, 2022 by jumphigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 18, 2022 ED Team Share Posted February 18, 2022 A reminder to all, please stay on topic and review our rules at the top of the forum. Off topic posts removed thank you 2 5 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 5:43 PM, jumphigh said: Progress news show a good locking mock up, nothing more. I'm asking if it's over the top, since polygon rivets don't make a better pilot out of you. Nobody knows how hot render graphics performs in DCS. Judging from other new modules like the Apache I have low expectations. Now it's your turn! Alter ! Echt jetzt ? 8 2 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The_Fragger said: Alter ! Echt jetzt ? I think what he meant to say is, that your art work is too good for DCS standards Edited February 18, 2022 by QuiGon 3 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 9 hours ago, QuiGon said: I think what he meant to say is, that your art work is too good for DCS standards Oh ok ! Then I need to say sorry https://www.helisimmer.com/news/miltech-5-razbam-dcs-status-update-screenshots-february-2022?fbclid=IwAR2ennJhpaLpgC9FzuD4vC9U4iz7ncLY_rizEpPTTkEKqza8kpaLo939t8Q 7 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumphigh Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, The_Fragger said: Alter ! Echt jetzt ? Ja doch, etwas schon. Bei der Huey fordern regelmäßig Leute eine bezahlte Neuauflage mit Grafikupdates, deren Standard u.a. du setzt. Aber viele Nutzer beschweren sich auch bei jedem neuen, gut aussehenden Modell über unterirdische Framerates – selbst mit Grafikkarten, die ein Vielfaches an Leistung meiner RX 570 haben. Wenn ich aber die Wahl zwischen guter Fliegbarkeit – bei Hubschraubern steuert es sich erst ab 50 FPS wirklich "glatt" – und einer Modellierung jedes Niets an der Außenhaut, die ich im Flug aus dem Cockpit niemals sehe, habe, dann weiß ich, was ich nehme. Den vollbeweglichen Kopf sehe ich als Pilot nicht. Sicherlich kann man den Aufwand treiben, so dass jemand im Multiplayer mittels Optik eines Combined-Arms-Fahrzeug dem vor ihm stehenden Heli bei der Flugvorbereitung zusehen kann und daraus ein Cinematic schneidet. Aber als Pilot wäre es mir weit wichtiger, dass das LOD funktioniert und nicht jedes versteckte Polygon des extrem guten "Standmodells" mit gerendert werden muss. Aber das LOD von DCS funktioniert nicht! Ich schraube den Scenry Detail Factor bis ganz nach unten, die Umgebung sieht teilweise wie Gunship 2000 aus, aber ich bekomme kein einziges FPS mehr?! Deshalb frage ich mich, wie sich das super Modell denn verhalten wird, wenn es in einer Mission in der DCS-Engine laufen muss und nicht nur im Viewer des CAD-Programms? Erlaubt es die Engine, dass du auch noch ein Lower-Detail-Model erstellst, was "gut genug" aussieht, dafür aber auch für schwächere HW verkraftbar ist? Falls das nicht geht und sich auch die GraKa-Preise nicht wieder in vernünftige Regionen bewegen, werde ich wohl in Zukunft als Käufer neuer Module generell ausfallen. Für eine Handvoll Flugstunden im Monat werde ich jedenfalls keine 1000€-Grafik kaufen. Edited February 19, 2022 by jumphigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, jumphigh said: Ja doch, etwas schon. Bei der Huey fordern regelmäßig Leute eine bezahlte Neuauflage mit Grafikupdates, deren Standard u.a. du setzt. Aber viele Nutzer beschweren sich auch bei jedem neuen, gut aussehenden Modell über unterirdische Framerates – selbst mit Grafikkarten, die ein Vielfaches an Leistung meiner RX 570 haben. Wenn ich aber die Wahl zwischen guter Fliegbarkeit – bei Hubschraubern steuert es sich erst ab 50 FPS wirklich "glatt" – und einer Modellierung jedes Niets an der Außenhaut, die ich im Flug aus dem Cockpit niemals sehe, habe, dann weiß ich, was ich nehme. Den vollbeweglichen Kopf sehe ich als Pilot nicht. Sicherlich kann man den Aufwand treiben, so dass jemand im Multiplayer mittels Optik eines Combined-Arms-Fahrzeug dem vor ihm stehenden Heli bei der Flugvorbereitung zusehen kann und daraus ein Cinematic schneidet. Aber als Pilot wäre es mir weit wichtiger, dass das LOD funktioniert und nicht jedes versteckte Polygon des extrem guten "Standmodells" mit gerendert werden muss. Aber das LOD von DCS funktioniert nicht! Ich schraube den Scenry Detail Factor bis ganz nach unten, die Umgebung sieht teilweise wie Gunship 2000 aus, aber ich bekomme kein einziges FPS mehr?! Deshalb frage ich mich, wie sich das super Modell denn verhalten wird, wenn es in einer Mission in der DCS-Engine laufen muss und nicht nur im Viewer des CAD-Programms? Erlaubt es die Engine, dass du auch noch ein Lower-Detail-Model erstellst, was "gut genug" aussieht, dafür aber auch für schwächere HW verkraftbar ist? Falls das nicht geht und sich auch die GraKa-Preise nicht wieder in vernünftige Regionen bewegen, werde ich wohl in Zukunft als Käufer neuer Module generell ausfallen. Für eine Handvoll Flugstunden im Monat werde ich jedenfalls keine 1000€-Grafik kaufen. This is the English forum, so please stick to English, so that everyone understands it. 6 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clepper Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 The beast! This is a MBB Bö-105 from the Spanish Army 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 ModelViewer2_cRvcoH8MIc.mp4 I took hard landings into account 15 2 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 ModelViewer2_Bug3SJaEZ5.mp4 Come in and find out 12 2 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Don't get fooled by the people that want maximum performance on their outdated hardware. Technology (that is also: quality of graphics, sounds, etc) must progress. Otherwise we would all still play pong... or fly Gunship 2000 on a C64. If people want to play/use the latest and greatest games/software, they need to upgrade their hardware from time to time. Some can't - that's life, but no reason to stop progression. And btw. - polygone count is not the bottleneck in most cases. The Progress on the Bo-105 look great! And the level of detail and faithfullness to recreate it to the best of possibilities will be valued by the vast majority - I'm sure! 4 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 AI Test 15 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 ModelViewer2_gwRSI8MD23.mp4 improving Blade's blur to look more realistic ... 11 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinman Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Beautiful! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wychmaster Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 vor 21 Stunden schrieb The_Fragger: AI Test Am 22.2.2022 um 21:58 schrieb The_Fragger: I took hard landings into account Did the AI need this too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 21 hours ago, Wychmaster said: Did the AI need this too? One needs to be careful with the ARGs for external otherwise you'll get in animation-conflict with the AI aircraft 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 HOT1,2 and 3 9 1 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Again, while I certainly do appreciate the glimpses at the artwork, is there any word at all from how the coding side of things is proceeding? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 8:43 PM, Kang said: Again, while I certainly do appreciate the glimpses at the artwork, is there any word at all from how the coding side of things is proceeding? Coder is very (!) busy at the moment and have not much time for coding. 1 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomechild Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 2:17 AM, The_Fragger said: HOT1,2 and 3 FB links died, here's the photos directly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 hours ago, The_Fragger said: Coder is very (!) busy at the moment and have not much time for coding. I get the hint. Sorry to hear that of course. Just got to keep the modelling and texturing coming then, I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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