Conure Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23214513 Hope all on board are okay Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Good news 305 survived, 2 killed. Plane reported coming into high of an AoA. Tail struck the back sea wall and broke off. " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690MPG DDR4 || i914900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4070Ti|Game1300w|Win10x64| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2|| MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Samsung|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Good news 305 survived, 2 killed. Plane reported coming into high of an AoA. Tail struck the back sea wall and broke off. seems there had perfect weather (with calm wind) looks pilot error at first blink :( most of the pilots are not using automatic approach/landing especially skilled pilots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napa Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Investigation should give us some insight of what might happen. Intel i7 12700k / Corsair H150i Elite Capellix / Asus TUF Z690 Wifi D4 / Corsair Dominator 32GB 3200Mhz / Corsair HW1000W / 1x Samsung SSD 970 Evo Plus 500Gb + 1 Corsair MP600 1TB / ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3080 OC V2 / Fractal Design Meshify 2 / HOTAS Warthog / TFRP Rudder / TrackIR 5 / Dell U2515h 25" Monitor 1440p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Few bits from NTSB Twitter; Sound of stick shaker began approx. 4-sec prior to impact. #Asiana 214 Call to go around made approx. 1.5-sec prior to impact. #Asiana 214 Preliminary results revealed: 24 hours of recorded data. #Asiana 214 FDR contained 1400 parameters and captured the entire flight. #Asiana 214 The data indicate that the throttles were at idle and the airspeed slowed below target approach speed during the approach. #Asiana 214 The throttles were advanced a few seconds prior to impact and the engines appear to respond normally. #Asiana 214 Intel 5820k | Asus X-99A | Crucial 16GB | Powercolor Devil RX580 8GB | Win 10 x64 | Oculus Rift | https://gallery.ksotov.co.uk Patiently waiting for: DCS: Panavia Tornado, DCS: SA-2 Guideline, DCS: SA-3 Goa, DCS: S-300 Grumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) The data indicate that the throttles were at idle and the airspeed slowed below target approach speed during the approach. #Asiana 214 damn, idle throttles ? :noexpression: :chair::fear::wallbash: i'm wondering when they will finally eliminate/forbid the manual landing with 300 persons onboard :doh: thanks for the info Thamuff :thumbup: Edited July 7, 2013 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) :censored: :shocking: :bomb: there was a huge trouble in the cockpit: 2000 feet altitude, 20 minutes prior touchdown over the pacific ocean ? :wallbash: what was that ? a low alt city/sightseeing flight ? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214 http://qz.com/101266/look-at-the-flight-path-of-asiana-214-before-it-crashed-in-san-francisco-yesterday/ Edited July 7, 2013 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire257 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Personally I think there's too much emphasis on "auto" this and "auto" that. It wouldn't surprise me if pilots are forgetting how to pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) i dont know what to think but they were too low - continuously - was not reported of an emergency or malfunction but those idle throttles :mad: without speed and altitude with huge full flaps and gears down: flying brick were pilots drunk ? amazing errors in a perfect weather personally i think better to use auto pilot/landing and do only monitirong the automatic with 300 passangers behind pilots what you wrote is a good example for a manual carrier landing IMHO auto pilot wont make that low approach deviation what you can see on the graph above - but if even so, there are pilots to turn off autopilot/landing Edited July 7, 2013 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLKMT Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Glideslope was inoperable, so they had to do manual approach. And pilots HAVE to know how to fly airplane manually even with 500 souls on board, that doesn't matter. There's no rule that says "ok we have a lot of people here, let's use autoland". But how many manual hours and experience with hand flying those pilots had, that's a different question... ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 ok, iv just read: "There are reports that the ILS glideslope was unavailable, but that the PAPI (precision approach path indicator) for runway 28L was functional. There are some conflicting reports that the PAPI was unavailable as well. Aircraft were making visual approaches to 28L and 28R." but they at least they had to use the auto throttle http://flyingprofessors.net/what-happened-to-asiana-airlines-flight-214-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_D Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 ok, iv just read: "There are reports that the ILS glideslope was unavailable, but that the PAPI (precision approach path indicator) for runway 28L was functional. There are some conflicting reports that the PAPI was unavailable as well. Aircraft were making visual approaches to 28L and 28R." but they at least they had to use the auto throttle But I heard on the news reports that the throttle was set to idle..and it was within 7 seconds..they realized their air speed approach was to slow..and low..pilot error...but I could be wrong..I heard this on one news channel.. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sf-fire-chief-2-dead-crash-were-found-090015957.html?vp=1 [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 But I heard on the news reports that the throttle was set to idle..and it was within 7 seconds..they realized their air speed approach was to slow..and low..pilot error...but I could be wrong..I heard this on one news channel.. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sf-fire-chief-2-dead-crash-were-found-090015957.html?vp=1 yeah, read my previous replies - idle throttles: that's why i was mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_D Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 yeah, read my previous replies - idle throttles: that's why i was mad Yep, just confirming your info...cheers [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I hate to stir the pot, but this is quite well written. http://flyingprofessors.net/what-happened-to-asiana-airlines-flight-214-2/ As someone professionally involved with aviation this blows my mind. Very sad indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 yeah, read my previous replies - idle throttles: that's why i was mad Why are you mad? Idle power descents are used all the time. Most carriers FMS's will automatically command an idle power descent at the start of the terminal phase of the flight. Best to wait for the NTSB report and then know all the facts. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AEF 161 Squadron CO ~~~ My YouTube Channel ~~~ "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering." The Shoveller ... Mystery Men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_D Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Why are you mad? Idle power descents are used all the time. Most carriers FMS's will automatically command an idle power descent at the start of the terminal phase of the flight. Best to wait for the NTSB report and then know all the facts. If you watch the link I posted the NTSB did mention flight was coming in too slow and too low [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Run over by the the rescue truck trying to save you, now that would be irony. PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Guys... I've read a lot of poo in the 'media' so please stop making accusations based on 'media-facts'. Only official info we have is that they were low on speed and below a normal g/s. It's anyone's guess, at this point, as to why this accident happened. To accuse the pilots of 'being drunk' is not helpful. I can assure you that they themselves had other plans while on a layover in SFO. "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 but they at least they had to use the auto throttle Why? "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 If you watch the link I posted the NTSB did mention flight was coming in too slow and too low I'd prefer to get the facts from the interim NTSB report, then rely on media hyperbole. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AEF 161 Squadron CO ~~~ My YouTube Channel ~~~ "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering." The Shoveller ... Mystery Men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_D Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Guys... I've read a lot of poo in the 'media' so please stop making accusations based on 'media-facts'. Only official info we have is that they were low on speed and below a normal g/s. It's anyone's guess, at this point, as to why this accident happened. To accuse the pilots of 'being drunk' is not helpful. I can assure you that they themselves had other plans while on a layover in SFO. Really well I just saw a news report with a NTSB representative reporting some of the findings to the crash IE: Like the flight was too low and too slow on approach.. Also of the two that died..news reports that one of the 16 year olds that died was apparently run over by an emergency response vehicle... [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Isn´t this the first hull loss of a 777 (with casualties, that is)? Guess the 777´s perfect safety record just got a little dent. :( - Two miles of road lead nowhere, two miles of runway lead everywhere - Click here for system specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtraChrisP Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Isn´t this the first hull loss of a 777 (with casualties, that is)? Guess the 777´s perfect safety record just got a little dent. :( Does the air frame's safety record take a hit if the mishap was a result of pilot error? Not making any insinuations, mind you. Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 CNN reporting the Captain! Only 43 hours! Wow flying international?! That explains it. " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690MPG DDR4 || i914900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4070Ti|Game1300w|Win10x64| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2|| MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Samsung|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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