Echo38 Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Every time I've seen wingtip contrails on fighters pulling G's in the real world, they've looked more like the older ones; the only time I've seen ones like the WIP video's are when the fighter has smoke generators on the wingtips. Granted, I've never seen 'em up close. The engine exhaust, too, I'm puzzled about. Most modern fighters don't usually leave visible smoke, as best as I can remember. Not U.S. ones, anyway. I've seen Russian fighters leave smoke, and older jets, but I don't recall ever seeing smoke from an F/A-18 or F-16, or anything similar, discounting smoke generators. Discuss?
diveplane Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) US f4 phantoms are smokey Edited August 31, 2013 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 US f4 phantoms are smokey I would categorize that as an 'older' jet. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Echo38 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 I want to clarify that I'm not criticizing, but rather asking. I'm glad that the new effects are being made--some aircraft are smoky like that! And I've seen those vortices on R.L. videos of aircraft with show-smoke generators. But, I'm puzzled about the difference between the contrails I've seen in R.L. and these new vortices--is it different conditions which cause them to vary in appearance? And I'm also wondering if all aircraft are going to get the new smoke effect or just the "smokier" ones.
Eddie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 ALL jet engines produce smoke. The amount produced and colour of it (be it black or lighter brown/yellowish) and the power settings and other conditions in which is is visible vary between engines, but they all have it, even modern western jets kick out some noticeable smoke at high power settings at low altitude/airspeed. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL
diveplane Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 correct, most modern western fighter leave little smoke trail, there is some in maximum throttle but very faint on modern fighters. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
diveplane Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 very faint smoke trail on f18 here https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 ALL jet engines produce smoke. The amount produced and colour of it (be it black or lighter brown/yellowish) and the power settings and other conditions in which is is visible vary between engines... Hopefully, any such effects will function based on some reasonable parameters (weather, power, etc.) much like the wing vortex should. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Eddie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Hopefully, any such effects will function based on some reasonable parameters (weather, power, etc.) much like the wing vortex should. We can but hope. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL
Dimebag Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Looks about right to me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Find us at http://virtual-roulettes.forumotion.com/
Echo38 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Looks about right to me. Hmm, these look long and mostly-straight, like the ones I've seen IRL. The WIP vid show them looking shorter and more wavy, doesn't it? I've seen RL vids of ones like that--in particular, one of Lionel Charlet's shots looked just like the WIP vid of our new ones--but, all the ones I've seen in person were long and mostly-straight. Again, not suggesting that the WIP is wrong; rather, I'm wondering what causes the differences. Are there several different phenomena here? I understand wingtip vortices to be a (usually invisible) effect always present when aircraft are flying; these are the things that cause turbulence for aircraft behind you, right? And contrails are when the G-forces condense the water in the air. So are the short-wavy ones some sort of visible manifestation of the former, or are they a variation of the latter, or ... I'm confused? Edited August 31, 2013 by Echo38
Bushmanni Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I think at high alpha and low enough speed the turbulent vortexes from aircraft body and inner portion of the wings make the wing-tip vortex wavy. At high speed or if the vortex appears at lower alpha there's less turbulence and they stay straight. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron
badger66 Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Im worried about the FPS hit , and will there be an option to switch off the smoke in options . Im really hoping this wont hit my rig ..... as this effect is brilliant .
Echo38 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 I think at high alpha and low enough speed the turbulent vortexes from aircraft body and inner portion of the wings make the wing-tip vortex wavy. At high speed or if the vortex appears at lower alpha there's less turbulence and they stay straight. That makes sense! The "straighter" ones I've seen were higher speed, and that Charlet shot was indeed slow speed, high-alpha (flaring for landing). Thanks.
SkateZilla Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 MIG-29's smoke is extreme..... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
bkthunder Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 IMO the new wingtip contrails are the most realistic I've seen in any computer game. IRL thye are "tubular" like a long straw. Have a look here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Eurofighter-EF-2000-Typhoon/2281969/L/&sid=a142bc3ed93f42c43bc39dd450a9bbeb http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/McDonnell-Douglas-F-15E/1628471/L/ http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/Grumman-F-14D-Tomcat/0895714/L/&sid=fd79eae03f266ead51ae232be13a1145 Windows 10 - Intel i7 7700K 4.2 Ghz (no OC) - Asus Strix GTX 1080 8Gb - 16GB DDR4 (3000 MHz) - SSD 500GB + WD Black FZEX 1TB 6Gb/s
-MadCat- Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I'd say those new effects are about spot on. Entire video is worth watching in my eyes btw. On another note, I fear we won't see any of these new effects on the helicopters ? ! Greetings MadCat Link -> Stateful button commands for many DCS modules
NRG-Vampire Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Looks about right to me. of course you are right as Eddie mentioned ALL the jets make smoke Raptor is not an exception watch the yellowish smoke (without afterburners) at 03:42
AUS_Twisted Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Also a jet does not have to pull any G's to create wingtip contrails, with enough low level moisture they will show up, even F1 cars cause similar effects at speed :)
sobek Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Also a jet does not have to pull any G's to create wingtip contrails, with enough low level moisture they will show up, even F1 cars cause similar effects at speed :) The wings create a lot of downforce at high speeds, they are installed at considerable AoA. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
secret1962 Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 All jet engines make smoke yes, but it's not always visible... the wingtips are also wrong.
sobek Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) All jet engines make smoke yes, but it's not always visible... the wingtips are also wrong. That's probably because it is still work in progress. Edited September 1, 2013 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Harnis Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 I actually think the vortices in the game look spot-on. As long as they make them semi-dynamic and related to altitude, weather, etc. it will be the best in any game I've ever seen. check out these videos. jets flying in the Mach Loop in Wales. compare to the ED video: it's pretty darn close, especially considering it's still in beta or whatever.
Witchking Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 I agree...http://youtu.be/BJ800rL_M5U I agree...the wingtip vortices are the best I have seen in any game. Looks spectacular. I agree... if they add sonic boom vapor and canard area smoke..lol...it would be awesome. BTW...how does the landing smoke work? Did they finally implement the "twirl" effect of smoke that happens just a touchdown? WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
NRG-Vampire Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 BTW...how does the landing smoke work? Did they finally implement the "twirl" effect of smoke that happens just a touchdown? not yet, (no twirl) but the beta effect in 1.2.6 nicer than the old landing smoke in 1.2.5 and in earlier versions http://imageshack.com/a/img189/9430/lpnp.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img41/3135/xazh.jpg
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