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Oh please Kurfurst.:music_whistling:

 

On Jan 1 1945 there was 167 of your uber K-4s in the west of which only 92 were serviceable. Over 200 had already been lost. There primary concern was intercepting the high flying American bombers and their escort.

 

Around 60% of the opposition for the ground attack Spitfire IXs were Bf109G-14s (~250) and Fw190A-8s (~260). Some 20% were Fw190D-9s (almost 170).

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They are not giving us an 1943 version, ED's choice is correct and they are giving is us what is exactly the historic 1944 Spitfire, a Spitfire Mk IXc L.F. with 18 lbs boost, althouh the flight model is still alpha and will need a bit of tuning at and above the FTH region.

 

VEAO is already working hard to bring us a super late and super rare version of the XIVe - which is what also the RAF was doing back in 1944/45 when the IX did not quite cut it.

 

Full service approval of the +25 boost was on March 10th, 1944. So yes, they are giving us 1943 Spitfires that didn't even have a mathematical chance to meet Doras and Kurfürsts.

 

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Looks like it would be wise to wait and buy the VEAO's spitfire XIV if one want to get a chance to make a stand against the Doras and the Kurfürsts... Or am I missing the point ?

 

Maybe, theses two different versions of the Spitfire won't be used to do the same job in DCS ?

Genuine question as I am no expert at all regarding Warbirds roles within the same "family".

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Some people seem to get up tight about stats of an aircraft, I am not one of them, I will fly this spit, and I will shoot my targets, and I will be happy.

 

I am a simple man lol


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I am a simple man lol

 

Me too. I am going to like this plane, a lot. She looks amazing. When compared to the BF-109 and FW-190, she will have her relative advantages and disadvantages, no big deal. If she isn't a UFO, I don't mind. I'll like her all the same. :pilotfly:

 

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Me too. I am going to like this plane a lot. She looks amazing. If she isn't a UFO, I don't mind. I'll like her all the same. :pilotfly:

 

:thumbup: MJ

 

You will love her from what I am seeing internally, really can not wait to get stuck into this one :)

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Some people seem to get up tight about stats of an aircraft, I am not one of them, I will fly this spit, and I will shoot my targets, and I will be happy.

 

I am a simple man lol

 

Me too. I am going to like this plane, a lot. She looks amazing. When compared to the BF-109 and FW-190, she will have her relative advantages and disadvantages, no big deal. If she isn't a UFO, I don't mind. I'll like her all the same. :pilotfly:

 

:thumbup: MJ

 

You will love her from what I am seeing internally, really can not wait to get stuck into this one :)

 

Don't get me wrong, I feel the same.

I am already spending a lot of time flying the Spitfire in IL2-Cliffs of Dover (solo and multi) just because I love her so much (and the scenery too), even if I can't hit a thing with it (I suck in dogfight).

 

I was just trying to understand what was the fuss about these two Spitfire variant vs the 109k and the Dora.

 

I can't wait to take her for a spin over Normandy somewhere, between Dieppe and Rouen, and say to my wife: "Look honey, this farm looks like the original one your oncle have inherited from your grand mother !" :D

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Looks like it would be wise to wait and buy the VEAO's spitfire XIV if one want to get a chance to make a stand against the Doras and the Kurfürsts... Or am I missing the point ?

 

Perhaps ED should be honest and tell anyone buying this aircraft not to bother as it is not a 1944 aircraft and to wait for VEAO's 1945 Spitfire XIV as there will be no point in purchasing the IX if they want to fly it online.

 

I could understand why they wouldn't use the +25 lb version if it made it a UFO, however that is simply not the case, even with a +25 lb boost the MK IX will struggle to fight against the K4 and D9... this is just madness, complete and utter madness.


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Perhaps ED should be honest and tell anyone buying this aircraft not to bother as it is not a 1944 aircraft and to wait for VEAO's 1945 Spitfire XIV as there will be no point in purchasing the IX if they want to fly it online.

 

Maybe you should settle down a little bit and see what actually releases, unless of course its released already and I missed it, can someone point me to where I download it?

 

Come on guys, its not released yet... lets just see how things evolved instead of accusing anyone of not being honest...

 

But here is some honesty.. the 1944 tag was from RRG... I see this more like ED just positioning themselves in the WWII game, and less about being pinned to one time frame. I think the Spitfire we are getting will handle itself just fine.

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Perhaps ED should be honest and tell anyone buying this aircraft not to bother as it is not a 1944 aircraft and to wait for VEAO's 1945 Spitfire XIV as there will be no point in purchasing the IX if they want to fly it online.

 

I could understand why they wouldn't use the +25 lb version if it made it a UFO, however that is simply not the case, even with a +25 lb boost the MK IX will struggle to fight against the K4 and D9... this is just madness, complete and utter madness.

 

P-47D-30 is going to have a more difficult time dog fighting the K4 and D9 compared to the Spitfire. I'd still buy the P-47 even if it were a Razorback xD. You can't stop people from buying their favourite planes even if they are at a huge disadvantage. Most players like to turn and burn down low, so the Spitty is going to probably be top dog in a fur ball. The problem is when you meet a K4 or especially D9 that knows what they're doing :P.

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Believe me I am trying, this is me trying to be calm.

 

Yes, RRG launched Normandy 1944 however ED took it over, they are RESPONSIBLE they can make things right if they were so inclined.

 

Can you honestly say that when you see this... it will have no chance.

 

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You know I am a Dora pilot you know that it is my favourite aircraft, this is my trying to point out and get corrected with out any bias something which I think is just wrong and is ED's responsibility to fix.

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If it's a 1944 Spit IX over France then +18lbs is probably appropriate. 2 TAF didn't convert to +25lbs until Jan 1945. Would be nice to have the choice though as there was plenty of them around by early 1945. Higher boosts were well in place for Spitfires and Mustangs by that time once supplies were guaranteed.

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P-47D-30 is going to have a more difficult time dog fighting the K4 and D9 compared to the Spitfire. I'd still buy the P-47 even if it were a Razorback xD. You can't stop people from buying their favourite planes even if they are at a huge disadvantage. Most players like to turn and burn down low, so the Spitty is going to probably be top dog in a fur ball. The problem is when you meet a K4 or especially D9 that knows what they're doing :P.

 

I entirely agree, my point is that even with the +25 lb it will still be in the same position as the P-47!

 

Now if they told you that you were going to get a P-47B I am pretty sure you would not be so happy, that is what this spitfire represents.

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Fix what? I want a Spitfire IX, I am getting a Spitfire IX, you guys look at charts and get all worked up, yet you havent flown the Spitfire in the sim yet, its so funny to me at times how worked up you guys can get without even have touched the module.

 

It takes all the fun out of flying these aircraft when you get so torn up on charts and figures... I dont know why you guys put yourselves through this lol.

 

If there is a big gap in performance, it will show in internal testing, they can look at it then, but its not even in closed beta and you guys are rushing the gates with your torches and pitchforks...

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I want a spitfire IX, however I PAID (PAID A LOT) to get a 1944 scenario project that is what needs to be fixed... it is a simple as that.

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Well

 

It's not like Mk. IXc LF weren't in service over the mainland in 1944

 

So that's what you've got isn't it?

 

From a historical authenticity perspective I don't think there's any problem at all here.

 

The problem obviously is that you want to be competitive with the K-4 in DCS

 

Is the Mk. IXc LF (with 18lbs boost) not competitive with the K-4? I think it might be in some ways, you're not going to be eaten alive every time you fly just because it's a little bit slower than it would be with 25lbs boost

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wonder how far bitching and moaning got the real ix pilots

 

everyone wants to feel like a hero but god forbid they be asked to work as hard as heroes did.

 

Congratulations that is the most retarded statement I have seen on this forum.

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It's not like Mk. IXc LF weren't in service over the mainland in 1944

 

So that's what you've got isn't it?

 

From a historical authenticity perspective I don't think there's any problem at all here.

 

The problem obviously is that you want to be competitive with the K-4 in DCS

 

Is the Mk. IXc LF (with 18lbs boost) not competitive with the K-4? I think it might be in some ways, you're not going to be eaten alive every time you fly just because it's a little bit slower than it would be with 25lbs boost

 

When you put it like that really we should have got a Spitfire Mk XIV from ED not the IX, there were a lot of question marks around RRG and I still threw my money at them so it is my fault ;) I just have a bad feeling about this turn of events, it could easily blow up in EDs face.

 

I know we are getting a Spitfire Mk XIV from VEAO however they are still an unknown quantity in my eyes :(

 

I really wish some foresight had been used when choosing the aircraft back at the start, even then some people were sceptical at the line-up and I think the spit Mk IX will unfortunately prove them right.


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Beautiful isnt she.

 

Fun times ahead :)

 

@Krupi Seems like you are going through the 5 stages of grief Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

 

Just wait and see, I am sure you will have a laugh about all of this once you get to fly her :)


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Beautiful isnt she.

 

Fun times ahead :)

 

@Krupi Seems like you are going through the 5 stages of grief Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

 

Just wait and see, I am sure you will have a laugh about all of this once you get to fly her :)

 

Haha :lol: I think you are right, well I certainly hope that I am proved wrong I really do!

 

I just don't think I will :noexpression:

 

Man I can't wait to fly her :pilotfly:

 

(Just don't mention the radio wire ;))

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Well, thank you all for your replies.

I had no idea it was a sensitive topic.

Wasn't aware about the history behind DCS WWII Europe 1944 project since I am new around here.

 

So, we are getting two Spitfire, MKIX and MKIV, and neither of them were (correct me if I am wrong) used at the same time and place during WWII ?

 

What missions were assigned to each MKIX and MKIV back then ?

Do we know what kind of aircraft were involved in 1944 over Europe on both side ?

(I think it is kind of a smart move to release aircraft not already available in others simulators, like IL2 - CoD, BoS and BoM, if it is what is intended of course, otherwise it doesn't bother me at all).

 

Again, I am just being curious. I will be happy to fly new Warbirds in the context of WWII (maps, technology) regardless of their "performances" as long as their are accurate :D


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