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I received word today that they decided to terminate the project.

 

Can't say I'm surprised, when the kickstarter failed I figured it was a long shot he'd get other funding. Oh well, at least with DCS F-35 going away maybe now my stalker will get a life. Probably not though.

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not such a big loss...That fighter its on complete category of FC series. That plane gonna fight alone in fc3. I think the FC needs more fighter that the simulation already have and only AI flys like F5, F14, F16, F18, MIGs, Mirages, Tornado and some other variations of F15 and others USA fighters/bombers and Russians Sukhois and MIGs.

 

agreed.. more modules of aircraft within the current theater of operations would be good and would allow for fun and more realistic scenarios. the only flyable for georgia is the su-25 and 25T which is a pain. lz-39? the f-16 for turkey would be good. an su-24 would also be good as i think its still in service with the ukraine and russia?

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Shoooot, I'd Do it... Call it "The Dino AI Aircraft Pack!"

 

All he'd have to do is Host/Send them to me, And I'd convert them all to DCS AI Standard, Convert the Liveries, Add the Connectors, Animate them, export them and get them in game and going.

 

It'll only get him more publicity. and Slap a link to his DONATE Page in the docs

 

more A.I. controlled aircraft is never a bad thing..

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Shoooot, I'd Do it... Call it "The Dino AI Aircraft Pack!"

 

All he'd have to do is Host/Send them to me, And I'd convert them all to DCS AI Standard, Convert the Liveries, Add the Connectors, Animate them, export them and get them in game and going.

 

It'll only get him more publicity. and Slap a link to his DONATE Page in the docs

 

That would be awesome!

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I had no idea about the F-35 kickstarter until it was to late. Had I known, had it been better promoted I would have donated, yes it would have been great fun to have an F-35 in DCS.

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not such a big loss...That fighter its on complete category of FC series. That plane gonna fight alone in fc3. I think the FC needs more fighter that the simulation already have and only AI flys like F5, F14, F16, F18, MIGs, Mirages, Tornado and some other variations of F15 and others USA fighters/bombers and Russians Sukhois and MIGs.

 

Its a big loss in the fact that we lost a potential 3rd Party developer, perhaps if he would have received a better welcome he would have considered changing to another aircraft, but instead he has left all together...

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The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that...

 

What a clueless bunch..

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I dont know how to take that or if it was directed at me.

 

But:

 

I for one supported Kinney Interactive from Day One, and even aided in explaining how to get the module started (basic setup of LUAs and Folders, exporting model, setting up texture/liveries etc).

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The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that...

 

What a clueless bunch..

 

I am sure there is some catchy quote I could use here, but bottom line is this statement is really just as bad as anything else, trashing peoples ideas, plans or such isnt very mature, and doesnt go any distance to make this a better community, it only helps to fracture it more.

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The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that...

 

What a clueless bunch..

 

 

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The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that...

 

What a clueless bunch..

 

 

Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...?

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Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...?

 

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Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...?

 

And another for good measure...

 

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The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch..
I assume you've actually checked and verified those were the same people.

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i would have been happy with that f-35 but i think the ks campaign was too short (only two weeks) on kickstarter: that was the main reason why KI failed imho - a month or two would have been better

another reason was the lack of paypal - look: RRG studio solved this problem wisely in last days of their founding period - if they do it much more earlier they could have collect even more pledges

and as i see the problem is that all the 3rd parties want to make "big things" without small steps - making something great is very hard in dcsw

 

i mean small steps:

1st step: nice external model as AI.

if you have the 3D model then it's easy but not profitable - i understand - except: if ED buy that 3D model and they put to dcsw

 

2nd step: nice cockpit model with SFM

i know many player dont like SFM, but this is the next step. AFM and DCS-AFM needs years

so SFM alrady done in 1st step (for AI) but it is usable for humanplayer as well. of coure they need to make working cockpit functions

 

3rd step AFM - authentic flight dynamics (like FC3 level A-10A or Su-25A)

 

and finally the hardest 4th step: DCS level - making everything just like DCS:Warthog A-10C

this needs years and no profit till this time if they choose this last step as their first step in dcsw

 

 

so as i see many 3rd parties already made nice 3D models but they wont bring those models as AI to DCSW because this "small step" is not remunerative - i guess they think it

however the community is hungry for new aircrafts - for AIs too imho

i would happily buy new "only" AI edm models for $5-10

if thousands of players can purchase these model then it would be a good revenue to the model maker - but the problem: he cant protect the model

 

so there is only small chance to bring new models into dcsw (if ed makes it) or ask freeware (fsx or sfs) model makers to do this


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^

 

I don't think that selling AI plane for money is a good idea, nor am I personally fond of SFM planes, but otherwise I'm fully with you on that small steps thing.

 

All those secrecy concerns aside, modeling such an advanced aircraft into full DCS standard would be tremendous amount of work. Just imagine coding all the avionics!

 

I'm no expert at all, but I think I will not be so wrong when I say that completing DCS: F-35 would be difficult goal even for an experienced developer, let alone someone with zero experience with DCS. They should definitely pick something less complex for the start IMO.

 

And, KI's attitude towards all those problems came across as over-confident to some (including me), which didn't help the matters either.

 

But all that was already discussed million times before.

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My personal belief would be that they ran into a road block called Lockeed Martin, but that is my personal opinion only...

 

I'm more inclined to go along with this being the major roadblock for KI. Although no details are available I believe this to be a major hurdle, even for ED also. Recall the wait we had for the Huey from Belsimtek. Again no details on the legalities they encountered, but they existed.

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I don't know why should LM block them. I mean, they obviously could use only public information so what's the big deal? Nobody stopped DC doing F-35A/B/C and his first version is even included in Prepar3D.

 

 

yeah but if any company is going to make money off of a simulation of one of their products, why wouldnt they want to get in on that action? $$$...

 

As for Prepar3D, whose product is that again?? ;)

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I don't know why should LM block them. I mean, they obviously could use only public information so what's the big deal? Nobody stopped DC doing F-35A/B/C and his first version is even included in Prepar3D.

 

Lockheed is Picky, When it comes to Licensing,

They jumped on a few other Developers and Publishers over the years over Aircraft that aren't even in Active Service anymore.


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Considering how small this market is, why even bother since the returns are hardly noticeable to the shareholders? I know every dollar "counts" but this is like getting water from a turnip!!:noexpression:

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