DCS: P-47D-30 Discussion

[Curly]

Do you have any real information about old Republic archives? Or do you have someone to ask?

 

The original archives were destroyed when Republic Aviation went out of business. I would attempt to make contact with the Cradle of Aviation Museum, they're on Long Island where Republic was located. So the may have a few things.

 

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/when-republic-aviation-folded-69197851/?no-ist

[NineLine]

The original archives were destroyed when Republic Aviation went out of business. I would attempt to make contact with the Cradle of Aviation Museum, they're on Long Island where Republic was located. So the may have a few things.

 

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/when-republic-aviation-folded-69197851/?no-ist

 

Yup, I am aware of them for sure.

 

That was a big concern to me as he stated he only saved one document, who knows what was lost and destroyed, my hopes it was mostly business type documents and the research type stuff is elsewhere. Now that the Spit is mostly racing towards the door, I am focussing my attention back on the P-47. Might call for a road trip :)

Edited September 27, 2016 by NineLine

[Merlin-27]

Yup, I am aware of them for sure.

 

That was a big concern to me as he stated he only saved one document, who knows what was lost and destroyed, my hopes it was mostly business type documents and the research type stuff is elsewhere. Now that the Spit is mostly racing towards the door, I am focussing my attention back on the P-47. Might call for a road trip :)

 

Wow that story is heartbreaking. Seems quite likely that if they were attempting to quickly liquidate the Republic footprint and avoid any complications, much of the technical data is gone. I think it's going to take more than a road trip. Time machine?

 

This would suffice...

Edited September 28, 2016 by Merlin-27

[too-cool]

I choose the P-47 as one of my choices in the backers program, all I would like to know is if we are going to get the P-47 or not, if not what other choices are we going to have to replace the P-47 that won't require us loyal and forgotten backers to wait year for fulfillment of our donations. If ED can't deliver on this then stop keeping it a secret and inform the folks who paid good money we're going to get screwed. TC

 

How many years has it been?

[SlipBall]

Do you have any real information about old Republic archives? Or do you have someone to ask?

 

 

No, but I will try to find out. I have friends with Father's who had worked there on these aircraft, maybe they can shed some light on the history of the doc's.

[Racoon]

No, but I will try to find out. I have friends with Father's who had worked there on these aircraft, maybe they can shed some light on the history of the doc's.

 

Thank you. Your help will be very appreciated.

[Solty]

Looking through aircraft performance site, my friend have found this "little" document.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/Naca_TN_2899__F-47D-30_Flight_Test.pdf

It is going to be a long read for me :)

[Curly]

I got board and did a little bit of research.

 

48 reels of micro film consisting of blueprints and technical drawings of the P-47, P-72, P-35, F-84, and other aircraft published by Republic Aviation Corp exists. According to the New York State Library it’s held in Hofstra University Library, Long Island Studies Institute, West Campus Library, Hempstead, N.Y. 11549.

 

You can search for the catalog record here https://nysl.nysed.gov/uhtbin/cgisirsi.exe/x/x/0/49/

 

Search Technical AND drawings AND republic AND aviation. Syntax is important as searching for “Technical drawings Republic Aviation” will return no results.

 

Though I could find no record of the item by querying the Hofsta Library database. Some more leg work or contacting the Library may be necessary to obtain said document.

 

Interesting enough The Cradle Of Aviation Museum’s Archive keeps popping up in my searches. Their archive seems pretty rich and is located the town over from where the micro film is held. So if you're headed out there make two stops;).

 

https://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/collection/data/155558167

 

 

This archive also seems to be present on this site http://aircorpslibrary.com/aircraft/p-47-republic-thunderbolt as they list 19,416 blueprint and drawings in their collection. Though I can’t say for sure as there is a access fee.

 

Republic’s parent company Fairchild’s historical files are held at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. Though the collection doesn’t appear to hold a wealth of P-47 / F-47 data. The manifest of items indicates that it consists of drawings and manuals.

 

Link to Smithsonian overview of the Fairchild collection:

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/fairchild-industries-inc-collection-1919-1980

 

Link to manifest of items in the collection:

http://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NASM.1989-0060.pdf

 

Hope this helps a bit. Though if specifics as to what you’re looking for could be provided it might help us better serve you.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Curly

[Racoon]

Curly, thank you very much!

Smithsonian collection looks promising.

[Brigg]

Thank the lord for Curly :thumbup:

[Silver_Dragon]

Curly, thank you very much!

Smithsonian collection looks promising.

 

Expected can open new "possibilities" in the future :music_whistling:

[NineLine]

Smithsonian is probably the best source, I have contacted them for a lot of stuff already.

[SlipBall]

library of Congress is another good possibility, and you may be able to search their doc's on-line, maybe...I'm drawing a blank here on the Island, and Republic field peoples

[NineLine]

library of Congress is another good possibility, and you may be able to search their doc's on-line, maybe...I'm drawing a blank here on the Island, and Republic field peoples

 

A lot of those sources can be searched from one location, but in many cases the documents are filed in non-descript ways. You can email NASM for search help, but they only reply by snail mail, and it takes time. I am working with them to find out where the best location is to travel to (DC) and then what is required to have material ready and waiting for a visit.

[DieHard]

I have not read this entire thread; maybe you guys already have seen these links? :

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Republic_P-47_Thunderbolts

 

from this search :

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=flyable+P-47D+30

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_P-47_Thunderbolt

 

and

 

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/republic-p-47d-30-ra-thunderbolt

 

from this search:

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=P-47D+30

 

 

Also, check out the Google IMAGES pages of each link as to possible leads.

 

 

Wright-Patterson AFB near Dayton, Ohio USA

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_the_United_States_Air_Force

 

 

You might get in touch with the maintenance shack guys at the Smithsonian aircraft museum that rebuild these aircraft for display. I saw a documentary program once, probably on PBS, showing how they took an old relic and put a lot of time and love in her for display purposes. They had a small metal machine shop of lathes and mills, etc. to recreate custom parts.

 

I was there in 1980, in Washington D.C. , I bet that museum has expanded greatly in 36 years.

Edited October 1, 2016 by DieHard

[MegOhm_SD]

Of course there is a P47 on display at the Smithsonians Udvar-Hazy National Air and Space Museum in Chantilly, Va.

 

They have a serious restoration section. Maybe they could provide some insight as to where one might locate records.

Edited October 1, 2016 by MegOhm_SD

[DieHard]

Long Island Republic Airport Historical Society

 

I called my local public library, asked a reference librarian inquiring about the former Republic Aviation on Long Island, New York .

 

She gave me a phone number. I called it. Waiting for a reply. If there is positive info, I will pass it along.

 

Found this:

 

Long Island Republic Airport Historical Society

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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Long+Island+Republic+Airport+Historical+Society

 

 

The following from the above listing:

 

Wikipedia

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Airport

 

 

https://sites.google.com/site/lirepublicairporths/

 

https://sites.google.com/site/lirepublicairporths/new2

 

There is more in the listing, just do the leg work researching what you are looking for.

 

FACEBOOK : https://www.facebook.com/groups/228240853908431/

 

FACEBOOK : https://www.facebook.com/groups/thunderboltp47/

 

FACEBOOK : https://www.facebook.com/groups/796564530457533/

 

FACEBOOK : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1051422234934858/

 

 

Design Analysis of the P-47 Thunderbolt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_P-47_Thunderbolt

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http://rwebs.net/avhistory/history/p-47.htm

 

 

 

 

My dad was born in 1923, graduated high school 1941. Had he be living still, he'd be 93. I doubt any of the old P-47 engineers are still alive. Maybe there are videos discussing their adventures in creating this thing. Must be WWII era films via a la the USA Army somewhere. Hollywood vaults?

Edited October 3, 2016 by DieHard

[Schmidtfire]

I wonder if this will affect development and release of the Me-262... If it takes time to find usable data on P-47D, it would be very logical to finish the Schwalbe first.

[NineLine]

I wonder if this will affect development and release of the Me-262... If it takes time to find usable data on P-47D, it would be very logical to finish the Schwalbe first.

 

It's possible, but the goal is get the needed data and get the P-47 out next I believe.

[MiloMorai]

It's possible, but the goal is get the needed data and get the P-47 out next I believe.

 

I don't recall seeing what data is needed.

Edited October 6, 2016 by MiloMorai
added don't

[Andy1966]

is the need for p-47d-35 wind tunnel data or flight test data?

or schematics and engineering data?

[Racoon]

is the need for p-47d-35 wind tunnel data or flight test data?

or schematics and engineering data?

 

We have enough schemes. We need tunnel and flight tests data both.

If you have anything I'll be happy to hear that.

[Andy1966]

Hi all,

 

I found a really good website that has a wealth of p-47d data, t.o.'s and flight test data. not sure if data is for -35 or not, so not sure if it will help or not, but should be wirth checking it out. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47.html

[NineLine]

Yeah, I think ED has a firm grasp on available resources online, especially that website, but thanks!

[Andy1966]

hello SiTHSpAwN, didn't mean to butt in, I should have read the whole string before I posted.... and I linked to an incorrect page too. Just trying to help if possible.