Hi - sorry just been on hols in an airbus 319, did think about asking the pilot about trim etc.. but thought you guys seem much more helpful.. if I get the hang of this I would like to fly online as you seem like a good bunch. Anyway, Nate... yes I tried setting as slider and every other option but didnt help. The stick seems to be centered ok in the saitek software and FSX like I said but the centering did take a few days to settle, maybe its just the new force sensing technology thats the problem. There did seem to be an issue with the throttle which the devs may have fixed so could just be FC2 causing the issues. Anyway, I also noticed others mentioning that cross axis config may be an issue - I have the rudder pedals also installed. I have a few days off now so I will try a reinstall of FC2 and remove the pedals etc to see if there were some initial install issues with software/hardware... I'll let you all know if I find anything... but thanks to your replies at least I know that the stick should be centered by default....