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yep, at first i started with that option unchecked, later tried to edit HelicopterTrimmerTauInverse in FMOptions.lua to suit my needs, then i kept it checked til now. That may have been my 'error' there ; i could/should probably revert it back to the old delay-based recentering mechanism and give it some more time. I usually don't use it, it's more a last-resort panic thing i try when things gets ugly, trying to recover from the inevitable :) (recentering actual controls, then reset ; but .. rarely use it on time actually) Tried both, i finally stick with the hold technique, which so far lead to smaller adjustments in course, and less bumps/huge corrections Well ... making some more coffee and giving that beauty another try, thanks again for your inputs, appreciated :)

yep, i also read those trim + ap pages (http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_428a.html) when i was really trying hard to solve my issues i can fly the thing relatively well for a given amount of time, then i probably fail to recenter properly for some reason (will try the unchain rudder thing one more time as it could be my rudder - using an elev axis for that atm) and there starts the problems - unable to recover :) so yeah, thanks to you i think i'll give it three more tries : - non-ffb cougar hotas, with unchained rudder trim mod from peterP(i think it's from him) - this is the one with the strong, unmodded centering springs - ffb old sidewinder 2 trying another time to remove the massive ffb shock on trim release - non-ffb stick with no centering spring at all, that should allow me to really keep the stick in its real position with no arm pain, being able to release pressure on stick thanks again for your inputs, have fun & fly safe :p )

yeah ... i agree ... but damn i want to be able to properly fly that thing :) i guess i should give it some more time before actually destroying it (license) for good, eventually giving another try to my old ffb stick. bs2 have been out for some time now, chances are ED will not alter it anymore and concentrate on the ww2 era for a while :( another thing that could be done is altering the 'trim reset' cheat, so it is not instantaneous anymore, but could spread over a given amount of time, allowing manual corrections while it's happening, trying to eliminate ... i'll stop thinking about this and jump in my a-10c..

Yes, i'd use 6 buttons (increase & decrease pitch trim, inc+dec roll pitch, inc+dec rudder trim on a hat or tms-like), then would be able to add some small adjustments to the course, by using my stick and/or re-trimming when needed. The fact that altitude changes frequently is already taken into account by current ap, so would it with a slightly different trimming method. This would just prevent you from fighting the ap at our stick's springs strongest positions when the fast-stick-recentering thing failed, and would allow player to keep their stick close to the center position, while still able to add small adjustments. I know that would be unnatural/unrealistic, but as i said in OP, it would be AS UNREALISTIC as it's right now .. but could help some There's onyl one last thing i could try, but that would mean rebinding the whole thing another time ; may try it though, cause i really want to enjoy the ka-50 ! That thing being : use an older stick, with no centering spring at all, no ffb (was not satisfied with sidewinder 2 ffb so far, couldn't eliminate the opposite shock you get when releasing trim, although tried the swap/invert options on x, y) and see where it goes ...

As a NON-FORCE-FEEDBACK stick user with quite strong stick centering springs, just-working trimming is a requirement for me to start enjoying the nice ka-50 piece of steel. I tried the center-trimmer option, tried editing HelicopterTrimmerTauInverse, tried nearly anything i could find or imagine to get a satisfying trim in the ka-50. After a few hours where i really could not enjoy it, i'm about to stop trying, uninstall the ka-50 module, delete my license files forever and forget about that useless heli. I could have some relatively nice flights over a few hours of trials, but in every flight i ended diying without any enemy around, just fighting the non-pleasant trim/ap when i suddenly am maxing one stick direction and/or can't get the centering unnatural thing to work properly, then see huge corrections added by the thing. So here's my question : Non-FFB users ALREADY have an unrealistic feeling when trimming the heli (recentering the stick, that is). So ... that being established, why NOT RESTORE a simple "increase roll right trim", "increase pitch up trim", and so on.. like we have on planes ? That would be as un-realistic, as unnatural as the current "you have xx 100th of a second to re-center your stick AND rudders" but should at least allow non-ffb users, non masochist users to ACTUALLY enjoy the thing. Having a quick look on the exposed settings for the ka-50 fm, it seems that would be hard/impossible to achieve by modders, unless some exposed functions may allow such a modification, any chance ED could do something about this and let NON-FFB users enjoy the thing ?