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Oh, by the way, if RAM were that effective, every plane would have it. But since it's not very effective, it doesn't make sense, since a regular plane would be visible anyway.

Well, seriously, the approximate values of the RCS should be known. I might upset someone, but intelligence and analytics work quite well these days.

Russian pilots regularly encounter F-35s. Maybe just ask them?

Eurofighter is fast, beautiful and maneuverable, with powerful weapons. Definitely the crown of the 4th generation. But it should be inferior to the 5th generation, otherwise there would be no point in the 5th generation. Of course, the F-35 looks like the complete opposite of the Eurofighter. But still, I think Lockheed Martin knew what they were doing, the F-35 just has to be effective, compensating for its shortcomings with stealth, although it is a little sad and boring.

ED can still replicate the F-35 much more accurately if they actually have something. Even if you try to make the module absolutely accurate and have all the documents, you can't do it. Because it's a game, many things will have to be greatly simplified one way or another. People are still trying to argue that the F-35 can't come close to the real, all the data is classified, etc. But in reality, if you want to keep it secret, then selling the F-35 was not the best idea. This article is still just a rumor, but the leaked documents are not that surprising. Plus, let's not forget that the 5th generation is the current generation, not the next one, even if not everyone can afford it. You can't expect its characteristics to be protected so seriously.

I don't know if you've seen this news, but just in case I decided to post it here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/07/10/military-documents-related-to-f-35-lightning-ii-leaked-on-social-media/ Is it really true? Of course I don't know. But given the announcement that happened, I think there is a possibility. It happened quite recently, as you can see. We will never know the truth anyway, and if I had these documents, I wouldn't tell you anything either . I want to believe that the F-35 will be a little more realistic than we think. Also, to further support my words, I leave a link to a comment from Indiafoxtecho, which was discussed earlier on this forum:

You are very naive. Of course they wrote that they would use data only from open sources. Because even if it were not so, they would not tell you. Nothing prevents pilots from sharing data without disclosing classified information. The pilot is not required to know and may not know many technical data about his aircraft and its equipment. But his general impressions of piloting can be very useful. In the end, everyone is trying to achieve that the aircraft "feels" close to the real one, and does not correspond to it in absolute precision in every parameter. Eurofighter. Don't thank me. Oh and before you write that it's not that modern etc. It doesn't matter. It's still a modern aircraft that will be in service.

Since you initially addressed me, I will answer. Real pilots (or former pilots) not only can, but also take direct part in the development of some modules.

Nobody talked about disclosing exact data and especially documents, only about personal opinion, feelings. F-35 is used not only in US. And you don't need to be an engineer to understand that many systems in DСS are simplified. I am forced to once again pay attention to my message above "DСS is a game, not a military training simulator". I think that the problem is not in the F-35, but in your inflated requirements. By the way, disclosure and leakage of secret data is not something unbelievable. If it makes you feel better, just think that the right people have access to it. No one will tell you the truth anyway.

Changing the characteristics of released modules is not such a difficult task and requires less human resources. Developing new modules is certainly a more important task. In addition, with the development of new modules, parallel tasks are usually solved, such as more accurate modeling of the RСS and radar systems, which should be useful both for the F-35 and for the game as a whole.

Yes, opinions may differ from person to person. For this reason, I am sure ED has the opportunity to invite several real pilots to solve the problem. However, as I wrote earlier, if F-35 pilots find the module accurate enough, then we will certainly not be able to find any differences. In addition, let's not forget that DСS is a game, not a military training simulator. And when will that happen? In 30 years? No, thanks. But you can wait if you want. And the opinions of real pilots will be more valuable than open source data when the module appears.

I completely agree with you. And also, the fact that the F-35 will be designed based on the experience and impressions of real pilots, for some reason makes some people laugh. Why? After all, if pilots who actually flew the F-35 and tried it in DСS say that it is quite accurate, wouldn't that be more than enough?

There's really nothing to discuss here. If you don't like the F-35, that's your right, but that doesn't mean others don't have the right to get it. I don't understand all the negativity surrounding this module. Remember how much the missiles' characteristics have changed over time? But for some reason I haven't heard so much outrage that they're not realistic. The most important thing here is that they continue to be upgraded and become closer to reality, just like the modules. We'll die of old age before we get a 100% realistic F-35 simulator. But ED can give us a 60-70% realistic one right now. There simply can't be any downsides. For the rest of the world, it may be another unrealistic flying machine, but for some people it may be a dream.

I rarely wrote on the forum before, but now I am incredibly excited about the F-35 announcement. However, the abundance of criticism has slightly overshadowed my impressions. And this is despite the fact that mods for 5th generation aircraft have been around for a long time, which shows the obvious interest of the community. Therefore, despite everything, I would like to thank the ED team for such a truly important step in the development of DCS. I am sure that this will only push the development of the entire project. To those people who are still dissatisfied, I would like to say: just think about it, even if this module will be perhaps a little less realistic than others, given the experience of the developers, we will still get the best F-35 simulator ever created, for years to come. And over time, it will only become better and closer to reality. Is this not enough for you? Many of us did not even hope to ever touch the 5th generation with our own hands, at the level that DCS can offer. I am a little offended that many people do not seem very grateful for this. So once again, thank you ED, and I can only wish you success on this difficult path!

But he can still continue to play in DСS as if the F-35 never existed. Leave it to those who would like to have it.

What are you unhappy with if the f-35 doesn't affect the other modules? In fact, in theory it could even have a beneficial effect on the game, since it may require more accurate modeling of radar systems and stealth characteristics not only for the f-35 but for other planes as well.

Everything you wrote is a common practice of releasing and supporting modules, more or less. Adding new features and updating old ones. Just don't buy it if you don't like it. DСS is not an online mmo game. You don't lose anything without f-35. It won't affect other modules or reduce their quality. And if you want to play online, choose a server without f-35. I find it extremely hard to believe that ED would abandon it. It will probably be one of the most popular modules.

I see too much pessimism in this thread. Of course, no one expects the F-35 to be anywhere near 100% accurate, like almost any module in the game. But let's not forget that DСS is a long-lived project. As time goes on, more data on the F-35 will become available and it can be implemented. Even in a year, more refined data will probably appear. Even the F-16 and F/A-18 are still being developed. There is no need to demand that the F-35 will appear already completed.

I think this discussion should be in a separate thread. Personally, I, like almost everyone else on the planet, know almost nothing about the real stealth capabilities of the F-35. How big an advantage does this give in a real fight? How difficult is it to detect with different types of radars, etc. And of course, the most important thing is how all this can be implemented in the DСS and how reliable can it be. If you have any assumptions or data, let's discuss them here.

Поправьте меня, но пилоны никак не учитываются, пока на них ничего не подвешено, так что центральный пилон можно не считать. И прилагаю еще 2 трека в доказательство, с пилонами и без - разницы в максимальной скорости никакой. Собственно именно по этой причине я и подвесил на них ракеты. Это правило касается всех самолетов в DCS. Отступая немного от темы, если действительно с флайт моделью все в порядке, то Ф-18 вообще можно считать сверхзвуковым истребителем 4-го поколения, в таком случае, если он не способен развить сверхзвуковую скорость даже с самой минимальной нагрузкой? Ведь в обычных условиях все крыльевые пилоны так или иначе задействованы. F-18.trk F-18 (clean) .trk

F-18 может все то же самое: Ускорение без крыльев, это как раз логично. А вот почему при этом не теряется стабильность и управляемость, уже надо разбираться. Но про это и так уже написали, не вижу смысла повторяться.

Краткая предыстория: Подвесил по одной AIM-120C на каждый подкрыльевой пилон и оказалось, что в такой конфигурации на малой высоте Хорнет даже не может выйти на сверхзвук... Сравнил для уверенности с имеющимися у меня JF-17 и F-15, такой проблемы не наблюдается. F-15 даже с 8-ю AIM-120 спокойно разгоняется выше звуковой. Даже JF-17, с 4 SD-10, развивает 675 узлов у земли, несмотря на то, что он более легкий, имеет достаточно слабый двигатель и меньшую максимальную скорость. Треки прилагаю. Неужели пилоны Хорнета действительно настолько плохи, что работают почти как воздушный тормоз? F-18 .trk JF-17 .trk