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TO LEATHERNECK: R-3S ATOLL, 1962 = GAR-8


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Hi Cobra and others on the LN team!

 

I love your Mig-21bis and fly it a lot! However there is one thing that is still bugging me.

Your R-3S missile. It's an old 1960's missile that are great for simulating older conflicts and Vietnam-era engagements.

 

Major differences between LN R-3S and the real Atoll R-3S are:

 

* Won't fly lead pursuit.

* Can only be launched under 2G.

* Only non-manouvering targets, or targets with very little manouvering.

 

This will be accurate, added challenge and great fun! The GAR-8 (Aim-9B) on the Sabre is roughly a good example of how this missile should behave. The Atoll was a Soviet copy :music_whistling:

 

I don't want this to be a thread about ED missile physics and who is right or wrong.

I think that Belsimtek are really close with their GAR-8 and wish that the R-3S would

also be what it is, an old missile with low pk.

 

Best regards,

 

Schmidtfire

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Hi Cobra and others on the LN team!

 

I love your Mig-21bis and fly it a lot! However there is one thing that is still bugging me.

Your R-3S missile. It's an old 1960's missile that are great for simulating older conflicts and Vietnam-era engagements.

 

Major differences between LN R-3S and the real Atoll R-3S are:

 

* Won't fly lead pursuit.

* Can only be launched under 2G.

* Only non-manouvering targets, or targets with very little manouvering.

 

This will be accurate, added challenge and great fun! The GAR-8 (Aim-9B) on the Sabre is roughly a good example of how this missile should behave. The Atoll was a Soviet copy :music_whistling:

 

I don't want this to be a thread about ED missile physics and who is right or wrong.

I think that Belsimtek are really close with their GAR-8 and wish that the R-3S would

also be what it is, an old missile with low pk.

 

Best regards,

 

Schmidtfire

 

Both the GAR-8 and the R-3S used proportional navigation (therefore they should lead the target). The reason for the 'tail pursuit only' requirement is the limitations of their seekers, which are blind to anything cooler than a tailpipe and thus should only lock on from almost directly astern.

 

As it is the R-3S only locks on from behind but can maintain lock if the target turns beam-on to the missile after launch. In that situation the missile should go dumb.

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Nerd1000, thanks for chiming in!

 

"As it is the R-3S only locks on from behind but can maintain lock if the target turns beam-on to the missile after launch. In that situation the missile should go dumb."

 

Spot on! That was exactly what I wanted to convey with "won't fly lead pursuit/non-manouvering targets". The narrow seeker of R-3S needs be pointed more or less

towards the tailpipe during the entire engagement. It should loose lock very easy.

 

What is your opinion about the GAR-8, is it a closer match to the real R-3S?

In my opinion it is.

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