Hook47 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 As of right now, we have two interceptors for all intents and purposes, the MiG-21 and the M-2000C. Out of the box, the M-2000C is a capable light fighter that while limited in terms of engagement range, can still fit easily into a role where it takes out other light fighters or even fighters like the Su-27 and the like if tactics are applied and proper coordination with the AWACS/GCI is maintained. The MiG-21Bis that we have is simply a pure interceptor that was modified in order to accomplish other tasks. It can be effective against aircraft like the AI controlled F-4E or other even other MiG's (other 21's or 23's) but like the Mirage, your effectiveness will be based on how well you can work with GCI or a AWACS. When it all comes down to it, I think it is important to understand that at its core, DCS is not a PvP multiplayer centric title, you may treat it as such personally and others may do the same but in the end, the realistic combat simulator format lends itself better to co-op or single player far better and this is where the individual aircraft modules we have right now really come into their own and make sense. To put it another way, if you only ever hop on a public server where dogfighting and racking up kills is the only real goal (even if their are other goals listed), you will find that players are going to gravitate towards the best possible dogfight aircraft, it turns into something not unlike using the "dominant build" in MMO. In this kind of situation, it does not matter if the MiG-21Bis is good against the F-4E or the F-5E-3. It does not matter if the Mi-8MTV2 makes a great air artillery platform, nor does it matter if the Ka-50 can work fantastically when paired with another Ka-50 driver acting as a "commander" to spot ground targets and patch into the datalink with them. When it is all about dogfighting, it is easy to miss the real value some of these DCS modules actually have because their is no place for them in a competitive PvP environment. This is why the FC3 aircraft are still so popular, they have the best weapons and the easiest controls. Even if we were to get a real DCS F-15 or a real DCS Su-27 module, people on dogfight servers would still favor the advantages that the simple FC3 aircraft provide. When it all comes down to it, the players that move away from competitive dogfighting on public servers will start to see the value of the aircraft we have in a new way. I don't like at the MiG-21Bis and say "time to do another boring bomber intercept", I make missions where the aircraft is given roles it actually has in real life and I place the player in a realistic context where they are supported by ground, anti-air, and even other air assets. The same goes for all the other aircraft. Finally, as a side note, be careful about your expectations of the Tomcat, it is a amazing plane that will probably be my new favorite when it comes out but it is not going to be the dogfighting monster that you may think. It is fairly limited in terms of armament since the Phoenix missile is really not designed to take out maneuvering targets and it does not mount a AIM-120 and instead has Sparrows. It is going to be a good dogfighter but it will not be overwhelmingly good in the competitive dogfight scene alongside those that only fly the F-15 and the Su-27. The reason I defend the developers decision to stick to reality (as in no extra missiles or weapons it did not carry) is because I think those limitations are part of what makes a aircraft interesting and unique. If you fly the Mirage and find that you can't be effective with only four missiles, you need to re-evaluate your tactics and playstyle. If you find that you are getting bored of flying bomber intercept in the MiG-21, try using it for other mission types that it is used for in real life, some of them may take you out of your comfort zone but that is kinda the point. The MiG 15 is also a Interceptor/Bomber killer, so there is indeed 3 interceptors all of which tend to be used for interception the least in the sim
statrekmike Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 The MiG 15 is also a Interceptor/Bomber killer, so there is indeed 3 interceptors all of which tend to be used for interception the least in the sim We are getting into pointless semantics, my point is that all of the inteceptors in DCS currently also can serve other roles. It is easy to make a mission for the MiG-21 where you only shoot down big slow bombers but a real challenge would be to make missions where you employ it for CAP against other fighters, ground attack, or even air superiority. The same goes for the MiG-15, sure, it is a interceptor on paper but it was the mainline fighter during the Korean war and used for anything from ground attack to basic fighter duty. The Mirage is the same case, you can say it is just a interceptor but it is very much a front line fighter, interceptor, and light ground attack fighter. Saying that DCS has too many interceptors misses the point. the interceptors we have all can do many roles, you as the player just need to be willing to challenge yourself. You need to be willing to play actual missions that put those aircraft in the roles they actually served, this kind of mission structure will not be found on servers like the 104th but instead on co-op missions and solo missions. To put it more directly, it is very rare that I use the interceptors in DCS for just shooting down bombers, I tend to look at what those planes actually did, what supporting aircraft worked with them and what their realistic opponents might have been and then I design missions around that. It sounds like you just need to branch out, explore what those aircraft are actually capable of doing and what roles they could do in real life (outside the basic bomber interceptor role).
Hook47 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 We are getting into pointless semantics, my point is that all of the inteceptors in DCS currently also can serve other roles. It is easy to make a mission for the MiG-21 where you only shoot down big slow bombers but a real challenge would be to make missions where you employ it for CAP against other fighters, ground attack, or even air superiority. The same goes for the MiG-15, sure, it is a interceptor on paper but it was the mainline fighter during the Korean war and used for anything from ground attack to basic fighter duty. The Mirage is the same case, you can say it is just a interceptor but it is very much a front line fighter, interceptor, and light ground attack fighter. Saying that DCS has too many interceptors misses the point. the interceptors we have all can do many roles, you as the player just need to be willing to challenge yourself. You need to be willing to play actual missions that put those aircraft in the roles they actually served, this kind of mission structure will not be found on servers like the 104th but instead on co-op missions and solo missions. To put it more directly, it is very rare that I use the interceptors in DCS for just shooting down bombers, I tend to look at what those planes actually did, what supporting aircraft worked with them and what their realistic opponents might have been and then I design missions around that. It sounds like you just need to branch out, explore what those aircraft are actually capable of doing and what roles they could do in real life (outside the basic bomber interceptor role). Sigh.... :doh: You have missed my point entirely. Forget it, let's get back to the topic... Like what M-2000 variant would be the coolest post 2000C completion.
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 The only thing is really needed is 6 super 530d rockets. This is mirage 2000-5, i know, but i already saw a post about impossibility to use 4 magics, but we have it in-game, so, i have a hope about 6 530d missiles
PiedDroit Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 The only thing is really needed is 6 super 530d rockets. This is mirage 2000-5, i know, but i already saw a post about impossibility to use 4 magics, but we have it in-game, so, i have a hope about 6 530d missiles Using 4 magics was never impossible with the 2000c, but 6 530d is impossible. On your picture the missiles are Mica's (530d can't fit here), the 2000c can't shoot them.
Ktulu2 Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Nice resurrection of a thread exactly 9 months after its death XD I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
PiedDroit Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Nice resurrection of a thread exactly 9 months after its death XD threads never die, like the great ancients they wait in the abyss until their awakening. 1
Ktulu2 Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 threads never die, like the great ancients they wait in the abyss until their awakening. Did someone call me? Haha great one! I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
PiedDroit Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Did someone call me? Haha great one! LOL I actually noticed your pseudo only after I replied. Then I waited to see if you'd catch the reference :D
SaNdMaN_9118 Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 I know its not a E but a C but take a look here on an Indian H, which is based on the E. These two birds from 2012 are sporting an R-73 training round and an R-73 launch rail. So who knows, may be some time down the line ? just may be.... Manish Images Copyright Zone5 Aviation Oh my god that serial number belonged to my dad's Mirage 2000 when was flying it for the IAF:pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly:
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