Cockpit switches and controls: remaining issues, and cannot start engine

[Redglyph]

Some of those were already reported and most of them solved, but I think a few remain forgotten.

 

I'm testing in both 1.5.3.53279.80, and 2.0.2.52658.72, since I'm not sure which is the latest M2000.

 

1) INS Mode Selector: wrong left/right click behaviour, see DCS standard behaviour here - even though most of the switches in aircraft like the A-10C are wrong and inconsistent, that's why it should be tackled early :)

 

2) ECS Temperature selector knob: turning in a weird, non-continuous way by jumping from min to max and the other way round. It should stop when at min and the user tries to turn it further counter-clockwise (and the other way round), not wrap around like that.

 

3) [2.0] TACAN: not possible to have 0 in tens, and the digits jump in a weird way from 1 to 12 and the other way round.

[1.5] No 0 in tens, impossible to get channels 1-9.

 

 

I was about to test it further, but I see another issue with either the throttle, or the start button, I'm not sure exactly which:

 

[1.5] The engine does not start. I tried to make sure the throttle was idle by advancing it then clicking on the red button, before starting the procedure, but without any success.

Screenshots: (1) shows the throttle, (2) shows the pump and start, (3) warning lights and engine indicators, N is not moving at all, no sound, nothing visible.

 

[2.0] I could manage to start the engine after fiddling with the thrust and idle position, but the Mirage is veering suddenly right when trying to take off, impossible to use either.

 

I hope those last items will be fixed soon, I'd really love to take this bird in the air again :)

(1.5 solved, see next posts, and 2.0 is an older version with the steering transition problem)

 

 

EDIT

4) This little quirk is still there too, in the canopy logic:

 

- close canopy completely

- click on rest => canopy is almost completely down but leaving a gap for fresh air

- put in lock position

- click on rest => after the rest is not clickable

- put in neutral (not locked)

=> rest cannot be clicked anymore

Edited May 28, 2016 by Redglyph
adding screenshot of engine start issue in 1.5

[CrashO]

[1.5] The engine does not start. I tried to make sure the throttle was idle by advancing it then clicking on the red button, before starting the procedure, but without any success.

Make sure the "Coupe-Feu" switch is set to the right (down). It's next to the fuel pump switches (and starter). It's the switch covered with the open orange cover. It's for the fuel shut-off valve. And has to be down to be able to start the engine.

 

*This has been the procedure since 2 updates ago or something (on the beta) :)

And if you manage to start it, you will encounter a DECOL warning light on the warning panel (= no takeoff clearance)l. To get rid of it you have to perform FBW test (lift red cover by your left butt-cheek (says test over it somewhere), wait for green light, flip switch back, close cover).

 

It's in the manual

Edited May 28, 2016 by CrashO

[Redglyph]

Make sure the "Coupe-Feu" switch is set to the right (down). It's next to the fuel pump switches (and starter). It's the switch covered with the open orange cover. It's for the fuel shut-off valve. And has to be down to be able to start the engine.

 

*This has been the procedure since 2 updates ago or something (on the beta) :)

And if you manage to start it, you will encounter a DECOL warning light on the warning panel (= no takeoff clearance)l. To get rid of it you have to perform FBW test (lift red cover by your left butt-cheek (says test over it somewhere), wait for green light, flip switch back, close cover).

 

It's in the manual

 

Right, thanks! :D

 

I did put it there first, then did something else wrong (the throttle not being at idle position), and thought it was the other position for this switch on my other attempts, how silly :doh:

 

What was troubling me was the pump warning lights, they were still on no matter how I toggled the pump switches, which is unlike before.

[CrashO]

What was troubling me was the pump warning lights, they were still on no matter how I toggled the pump switches, which is unlike before.

Lack of power from the battery.

If you want the lights to go off without starting the engine. Just request ground power :D (proper procedure anyway for the Mirage).

[Azrayen]

Hi

 

1 & 2: reported, thanks.

 

3: already WIP in dev, hope it be available soon.

 

@ CrashO: not really a "lack" of power, LP pumps are powered by AC, battery doesn't do that (except for a tiny part of essential systems). Actually, LP pumps L&R are powered by AC Main bus #2 (refer to diagram in manual).

 

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[Redglyph]

Lack of power from the battery.

If you want the lights to go off without starting the engine. Just request ground power :D (proper procedure anyway for the Mirage).

Hm. Not convinced, especially since it's been a few seconds only and all the other lights are still on, that would be most bizarre :)

But yes, poor battery, we need something stronger! :D

 

Hi

 

1 & 2: reported, thanks.

 

3: already WIP in dev, hope it be available soon.

 

@ CrashO: not really a "lack" of power, LP pumps are powered by AC, battery doesn't do that (except for a tiny part of essential systems). Actually, LP pumps L&R are powered by AC Main bus #2 (refer to diagram in manual).

 

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Thanks!

 

4) is not a major issue, it's recoverable, and probably not everyone will mess around with the cockpit lock ;)

 

BP.R and BP.L, after checking, amber just means the forcing back pressure delta is below 500 mbar. The three pump lights should be off, BP being the last one, before pressing on the start button for 1 second, according to the leaked Mirage manual.

 

Here BP goes off as expected (as far as I can tell, it's not easy to tell whether it's on or off), but both BP fuel pumps lights remain on until 40% or so (I think it's in Razbam's manual). So a difference, maybe the two models are not exactly the same, or perhaps the documentation I got is not entirely accurate.

[Azrayen]

The "real Mirage manual" describes a start-up with ground power available. As CrashO said, this is the normal way of starting-up the aircraft.

In this case, AC buses are then powered, and LP pumps work as soon as they're switched On.

 

If you start without ground power, only the start-up pump is powered (this one works on DC power, for this very reason). Read §1.3 in the RL manual.

At N = 45%, the engine turns quick enough for the alternators to come online. From that point onwards, you have full AC power (and working LP pumps).

[Redglyph]

So that's where the difference is coming from, thanks a lot for the explanation, Azrayen! :)