Hummingbird Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) I've been looking through the NACA TN 1044 report Yo-Yo says he has used as the basis for his lift coefficient figures for the P-51 & Fw190, and long story short there appears to be no reason for modeling a similar CLmax for the P-51 & Fw190, as the real life difference appears to be in the range of +0.2 in the Fw190's favour at any realistic dogfighting speeds. TN 1044 report numbers summarized Link to full report: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930084610.pdf NACA 23XXX (F6F, Fw190 etc) results: FT high alt / FT low alt M 0.30 = -- / -- M 0.35 = 1.35 / -- M 0.40 = 1.28 / -- M 0.45 = 1.16 / -- M 0.50 = 1.02 / -- NACA 00XX (P-39, Me262 etc) results: FT high alt / FT low alt M 0.30 = 1.20 / 1.24 M 0.35 = 1.12 / 1.18 M 0.40 = 1.05 / 1.14 M 0.45 = 0.97 / 1.08 M 0.50 = 0.92 / -- NACA 66-XXX (P-51, Tempest etc) results: FT high alt / FT low alt M 0.30 = 1.12 / 1.23 M 0.35 = 1.07 / 1.16 M 0.40 = 1.05 / 1.19 (2nd peak low alt) M 0.45 = 1.02 / -- M 0.50 = 1.05 / -- (2nd peak high alt) Note: One unusual phenomenon to be noted in the report is the sudden and very short rise in lift measured on the NACA 66 series at M 0.37 to 0.4 at low alt, and a longer one at high altitude from M 0.47 to M 0.65. This curiousity is noted on pages 10 & 11 in the report. Edited February 3, 2018 by Hummingbird
Hummingbird Posted February 9, 2018 Author Posted February 9, 2018 For further confirmation the F4U-1, despite a slightly higher wing loading, rather easily beat the P-51B in turns during comparative trials: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/f4u/p-51b-f4u-1-navycomp.pdf Snippets: "each plane was loaded to it own specified full fighter load, 9,100 lbs. for the P-51B, and 12,162 lbs. for the F4U's" "© The F4U-1 is everywhere superior in maneuverability and response." The F4U also uses the same NACA 23015 to 23009 airfoil selection as the Fw190 & F6F.
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