MFD export in VR possible?

[Ditch]

On 10/7/2025 at 9:57 PM, Phantom711 said:

Sorry, but can‘t resist to follow up on this….and just out if curiosity. Why would this be the case? All Q3 can do passthrough.

Or is that some requirement that comes with using Virtual Desktop and Open Kneeboard  in order to get a Mixed Reality cockpit.

I wish I had noted my source now as I cannot find where I read that information. Perhaps in fact I am incorrect and any model can do it. Sorry for the potential misinformation. My OG post is edited to reflect this.

Edited October 12 by Ditch

[Lennykka]

@SKYWARRIOR, I just checked this thread and noticed your questions few weeks back on mixed reality setup with WinWing gear. I have similar setup myself, and I've managed to make mixed reality to work with Meta Quest 3 and WinWing MIP panels + other panels very well. In my view, Quest 3 passthrough is good enough, it is possible to use and and operate the MIP panels with passthrough functionality. There are bunch of steps to take when configuring the system and needed SW, but once that part is done, using the system is really straightforward. Also, Quest 3 is very stable platform together with Virtual Desktop, works pretty much every single time. If interested, I can provide instructions how to setup similar system.

I just received new Play for Dream MR headset, I'm now trying to make that work in my system as well. That project is far from finished, but the same generic approach can also be applied with that. However, PFD is much pickier to Wi-Fi quality and decoding takes more time among other things, so definitively Meta Quest 3 is more polished and easier to work with for MR scenarios. Anyway, let's see how my current PFD project proceeds!

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, Thank you for the info and I tried to get this to be the best thing since the earth was created but I could not. Firstly, I very keen to know if you had the same issues with Windows 11 holding the DDI screen position from each reboot. Mine never did despite a reinstall of Windows 11. This has been the reason for using a stabilizing program Display Fusion ,to stitch the position despite a wayward Windows operating system.  Then of course, as you are aware Simm app Pro has its say on positioning. Then the Re shade program to enhance the poor output quality of the DDI screens. It all works but is delicate, and if you try and alter anything, say resolution or refresh, then dont expect anything else other than a reboot from scratch to rectify it. My experience limited though it was did not give the sharp instrument displays the clarity one gets in normal 2D. So in the end back onto eBay it all went. Currently, my problem is despite trying to get a refresh rate of 100 on my Coursair Xnen screen ( capable of 240 hz) I cannot get it to settle other than 6-hz. I have tried doing this via Windows Dipslay , Nvidia Panel, but it reverts to 60 every time. I have all my settings at MAX / EXTREME  etc, and the picture quality is stunning with no jags or delays except when pulling 9 G in a banked turn the DDI lines chatter a bit, but as soon as I level its normal. I am not the least bit worried about this as I am not looking at the instruments but out of the window trying to locate my enemy ! Thats my experience but am willing to listen and evaluate from people like you who have the same set up as me as a basis because the DDI and UFC set up has to be used to be seen to never think of clicking a mouse on a screen ever again unless you have to. I can set up my screens in 2 minutes as my fingers fly acroos the buttons in a very practised manner now.

[Lennykka]

Yes, I had the same 'WinWing MIP displays messing around after each reboot' issue on my Win11 system, and I was struggling with that quite some time. Eventually, I bumped somewhere here in the forums into this advice: connect the three MIP displays next to each other on the same USB hub. I had doubts for this advice, but it really worked at least for me!

I have installed my WinWing MIP displays into Monster Tech's desk mounts (highly recommended!!!) so that I also have 7-port USB 3.0 hub attached to the Monster Tech's MIP desk mount. I only connect the USB hub to my PC with single cable, when turning the office desk into (sort-of) cockpit. On the 7-port USB 3.0 hub, I have MIP displays connected to ports 3, 4 and 5. This way, the display configuration can survive Win11 reboots. 

To improve MIP displays brightness, I also use ReShade with the proper screen filter image, i.e. re shading thing only affects the MIP displays, and not the other displays. Probably you have got it configured already, but I've used these configurations:

• Activate only these filters in this order:
  UIMask_Top [UIMask.fx]
  Tonemap [Tonemap.fx]
  Levels [Levels.fx]
  UIMask_Bottom [UIMask.fx]
• Levels.fx parameters:
  • Black Point: 16
  • White Point: 120
• Tonemap.fx:
  • Gamma:     0.560
  • Exposure:   -0.100
  • Saturation, Bleach and Defog on default values (==0.000)

In my system, I only use SimAppPro to enable backlight adjustment from DCS aircraft control knobs in the cockpit, but that's all. So, I don't use SimAppPro to configure the MIP displays. In practice, I leave Game Peripheral Display tab into non-complete state, i.e. not all 1 - 8 steps are green (can't check right now where the green states stop, and reds start)

Instead of letting SimAppPro to handle the MIP display configurations, I do it manually with my own MyVRSetup.lua script file stored into directory \Users\[username]\Saved games\DCS.openbeta\Config\MonitorSetup, attached:
MyVRsetup.lua

The contents of that file must match your display configuration on Windows. I've configured my displays like this in Win:
        --------------------------------
        | Main display || L || C || R |
        |              ||dis||dis||dis|
        |              |---------------
        ----------------

My main display is of size 2560x1440. [1,1] pixel is on the top left corner. So, the top left corner of Left MIP display ("L dis") is at [2561,1], but since the WinWing MIP display visible part is square with resolution 768x768 (unlike the panel itself, which 1024x768), I need to cut the non-visible part off, so I get top left pixel of Left MIP display at [2561,256], i.e. like this:

LEFT_MFCD =

{

    x = 2561;

    y = 256;

    width = 768;

    height = 768;

}

And same goes for Center and Right displays as well.

VR_MIRROR is the display that is visible on your main display when you have VR headset on. I've configured that to the minimum size, because in my own tests bigger you make it more resources it consumes. This might not be the case with VR headset connected with display port cable, but with Virtual Desktop I found the minimum VR_MIRROR size to be better option.

On the game itself, I have configured Resolution and Monitors like this:

nullOk, long post, but should now cover how to configure WinWing screens to be "VR-ready". Hope this helps!

 

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hey its a revelation to talk to someone who has the same set up as me. I cannot believe we are the only two in the world but maybe the only two that are happy to share stuff. I AM new to DCS and have flown the F18 for about 9 months now. I have a guy who runs a great Server called "The Damned" and Bob ( The owner) has given me lessons whenever I have asked him and he is really good at it. He is on EST and I am in the UK, so we work it out, but he is a VR addict and has no knowledge of the factual instrument world although he appreciates its immersive abilities. I am going to study your post re the connections for a start and see if I can negate the screen program that would be very good and hand back to Windows. The thought of overlaying Virtual desk top and magic mouse or whatever on all of this was to me a novice very foreboding.

In you screen res on n DCS  My main screen is 3440 x 1440 and capable of 240 refresh but as said before cannot get that to work. Maybe some of your tips will fix that.  Can you show me a screen shot of where I edit my screen  stats as I am not quite sure about this. Thank you for the input its much apprecaited

Do you ONLY have the three DDI into that 10 port Hub or do you have other things . Is it just a case of a hub dedicated to the DDIs or in line 123 after the other plus any other ports as you wish

 

This site looked interesting to finish off the DDi and UFC set   

https://www.vrsimsolutions.nl/webshop

Edited 10 hours ago by SKYWARRIOR
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