not planned MiG-25 (Foxbat) in DCS ?

[Logan54]

Hello everyone! I like Soviet 3rd generation aircraft much more than "computer planes", so the MiG-23MLA impressed me, and I'm waiting for it.

But what about the MiG-25? The legendary Soviet interceptor, which was used in 5 big conflicts (Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, the Persian Gulf), was on service in 16 countries. The fastest interceptor, which was designed to intercept strategic bombers, but was also used against conventional jet aircraft. There are 2 versions that I think should be in DCS: MiG-25PD (interceptor) and MiG-25RB (reconnaissance/supersonic bomber). Both options are really cool. I know about the maximum limit of 5G, but this aircraft is not a dogfighter like the Su-27 or even the MiG-21. But it's super fast (M=2.8 also find info about 3400km/h) and can intercept targets at high altitude (maybe even an F-14A flying at 40,000 feet). He doesn't have a lot of amos on his wings, but if you check the information about him on the wiki, you will be surprised by his abilities and invulnerability. Also, I can't tear myself away from not watching photos and videos with this Soviet monster. There are some documentation about it in web. Can be equipped with 4*R-60(R-60M) on 2 outer points+2*R-40/5 tons of bomb. Can track 6 targets at the same time. Also can be used to intercept standard trgts (B-52) on many servers.

Please do Foxbat in DCS. It really deserves to be on the Cold War`s front line (and not only). 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Logan54

[sirrah]

4 hours ago, Logan54 said:

Hello everyone! I like Soviet 3rd generation aircraft much more than "computer planes", so the MiG-23MLA impressed me, and I'm waiting for it...

 

I do hope you have patience my friend

 

Don't get me wrong, many here would love to see more Russian full fidelity modules (personally, although I love the looks of Russian planes, I prefer western avionics), but Russia is not keen on sharing stuff. Early/pre cold war, seems to be the most modern devs can do without risking being put in a Siberia prison camp 

 

If you care for a little forum search; there's lot of wishes and discussions about the topic of more Russian ff content and why we haven't seen it to this day.

[upyr1]

The Foxbat would be awesome, I'd expect we might be able to get the version that was flown to Japan. Though being out of service there is no telling which model we might get 

[Logan54]

4 часа назад, sirrah сказал:

seems to be the most modern devs can do without risking being put in a Siberia prison camp 

When I was searching some docs about Hind I was surprised bc found a lot of MiG-25 docs, probably 4-6 real instructions with different types in free space. Must be not to hard to deal with government in this way

4 часа назад, sirrah сказал:

If you care for a little forum search; there's lot of wishes and discussions about the topic of more Russian ff content and why we haven't seen it to this day.

I searched "mig-25" and "foxbat" on forum, but no results. No thread about Foxbat yet... so I did it

4 часа назад, upyr1 сказал:

The Foxbat would be awesome, I'd expect we might be able to get the version that was flown to Japan. Though being out of service there is no telling which model we might get 

I think it`s not like imba jet. Probably more for soul like MiG-15/Sabre/warbirds (they are good but specific) but why not? I know ppl that will take money even if MiG-25 can`t beat Tomcat. But need more hype and reaction for ED/devs looks at this concept

P.S. rate post by stars on top if you interested pls

Edited May 28, 2023 by Logan54

[bies]

It would be great if sufficient documentation is available. It was Soviet PVO fighter though and this were more classified than Soviet tactical fighters.

1970 MiG-25P (Foxbat-A) was spcialised single role PVO interceptor with riduculously powerfull pulse radar.

1980s MiG-25PD (Foxbat-E) was more universal, it was be able to detect and attack tagets below the nose using Doppler radar, it had RWR, additional R-60 missiles, flares and chaff dispensers, IRST.

MiG-25R/RB/RBV/RBT (Foxbat-B) were reconissance aircrafts / bombers in few gradually improved variants with ELINT recon equipement and Peleng bombing systems.

So overall MiG-25 would be both specialised and multirole aircraft at once. According to US F-15 pilots flying over Iraq, MiG-25, due to its uncompromised performance and weapon,  in many situations was more dangerous opponent than MiG-29. Overall MiG-25 would open whole new tactical capabilities for all Cold War scenarios, having distinct limitations and unique very strong points available for Soviett side.

Edited May 28, 2023 by bies

[Logan54]

3 часа назад, bies сказал:

 IRST.

what is IRST? 

3 часа назад, bies сказал:

So overall MiG-25 would be both specialised and multirole aircraft at once. 

This can provide both variants and a lot of tactical performance at one server that had reconissance over front line, bombing sand boxes, intercepting strategic bombers/tomcats, and be bait for SAMs if you need ta attack enemy airfield by Su-25 bombers. So yes this is very interesting tactical and sexy Soviet jet

3 часа назад, bies сказал:

According to US F-15 pilots flying over Iraq, MiG-25, due to its uncompromised performance and weapon,  in many situations was more dangerous opponent than MiG-29.

Can you share some confirmed info about it? ED developers think Wiki lies and used russian source exaggerated estimate... I tried to prove that Foxbat really good jet, but ED developer said me: "-..this project too specific. Its for fans, it has big speed but hasn`t flares/chaff/electronic warfare and gun and can only run away" Also they said that probably some dev will do it..not ED...  

In that way Foxbat fans must to have more ppl there, aren`t they? Thanx for support.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Logan54

[okopanja]

9 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

what is IRST? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_search_and_track

@bies I was not aware of IRST on Mig-25, do you have picture, article, reference? Where was it located?

10 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

This can provide both variants and a lot of tactical performance at one server that had reconissance over front line, bombing sand boxes, intercepting strategic bombers/tomcats, and be bait for SAMs if you need ta attack enemy airfield by Su-25 bombers. So yes this is very interesting tactical and sexy Soviet jet

I believe it was used to bomb Teheran though lofting of bombs tens of km at high speed. Accuracy was probably not great.

12 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

Can you spare some confirmed info about it? ED developers think Wiki lies and used russian source exaggerated estimate... I tried to prove that Foxbat really good jet, but ED developer said me: "-..this project too specific. Its for fans, it has big speed but hasn`t flares/chaff/electronic warfare and gun and can only run away" Also they said that probably some dev will do it..not ED...  

In that way Foxbat fans must to have more ppl there, aren`t they? Thanx for support.

Running away was a real tactic, as well as notching and arriving at crazy speeds... However, it likely did score against FA-18 (single launch and hit with R-40RD, pilot got recalled when he considered going after another one) and likely damaged or shotdown F-15C - very little to no evidence exist, potential wreckage may have been picked up, so maybe in 50 years we will know.

The upgraded variant of aircraft is probably still considered sensitive and still serves in at least Algerian Air Force.

[bies]

On 5/28/2023 at 5:12 PM, Logan54 said:

what is IRST?

Soviet MiG-25PD used the infrared sensor "Систе́ма контроля положе́ния непри́ятеля" in the nose of the aircraft, being part of a "Бортовой комплекс радиотехнической и инфракрасной разведки и наведения" - Onboard Complex of Radio-Technical and Infrared Reconnaissance and Targeting". Some export MiG-25PD were deprived of this system. I don't have a detailed information of the system parameters, though, it's possoble the system is still partially classified.

The system was far less exposed compared to the MiG-29 and the Su-27 IRST, not to compromise aerodynamics of supersonic cruise of the MiG-25. As the MiG-29 and the Su-27 were meant to fly supersonic only occasionally.

Edited September 11, 2023 by bies

[okopanja]

2 minutes ago, bies said:

Soviet MiG-25PD used infrared sensor "Систе́ма контроля положе́ния непри́ятеля" in the nose of the aircraft, being part of "Бортовой комплекс радиотехнической и инфракрасной разведки и наведения" - Onboard Complex of Radio-Technical and Infrared Reconnaissance and Targeting". Some export MiG-25PD were deprived of this system. I don't have detailed information of the system parameters though, it's possoble the system is still partially classified.

 

Thanks, I did not know this.

[WinterH]

There are 3 distinct variants I would love to see:

- MiG-25PD was the definitive interceptor variant.

- MiG-25RBT was a recon bird and also an interesting bomber with a funky CCRP, who doesn't want to chug 10 supersonic FAB-500s from stratosphere?  But don't expect to pinpoint hit defended areas I would say.

- MiG-25BM was a dedicated SEAD bird with EW systems and 4 Kh-58 missiles.

All of them are one trick ponies, and all of them are very different, so I guess it isn't too realistic to expect all of them in a hypothetical module sadly. At least PD and RBT would be cool.

During Desert Storm and no-fly-zone days, MiG-25s did put a better show to a degree than most other Iraqi fighters but that was due to their unique strengths and pilots adhering strictly to those. And even then, that better show meant being able to escape/evade pretty well more often than not. Apparently they have even scored a hit on a F-15C, with a R-40 proximity fusing and damaging the Eagle, but not enough to bring it down, and to be fair a good bit of MiG-25's survival in engagements vs F-15s seemed more because of AIM-7s failing hilariously often. But it is a one trick pony regardless. It can charge in, fire its missiles, hope for the best, and if fired back, has a decent chance of running away. It can't tangle with fighters up close though. Also as well known, early in the conflict a MiG-25 did quite likely shoot down an F/A-18 Hornet. Do note however, these were possible pre-AMRAAM, and as far as I know, Iraqi MiG-25s didn't have much to show against F-14As flown by Iran during their almost decade long war. It is a very interesting bird imo, and I'd personally sooner buy and fly it rather than yet another flying computer screen gallery. However, it is still limited to a specific mission type, and it may not be as attractive for general user base.

10 minutes ago, bies said:

Soviet MiG-25PD used infrared sensor "Систе́ма контроля положе́ния непри́ятеля" in the nose of the aircraft, being part of "Бортовой комплекс радиотехнической и инфракрасной разведки и наведения" - Onboard Complex of Radio-Technical and Infrared Reconnaissance and Targeting". Some export MiG-25PD were deprived of this system. I don't have detailed information of the system parameters though, it's possoble the system is still partially classified.

I'm pretty sure the first photo is a recon bird though, with the narrow nose, so I think marked item is one of the cameras.

[bies]

22 minutes ago, WinterH said:

I'm pretty sure the first photo is a recon bird though, with the narrow nose, so I think marked item is one of the cameras.

Yes, thanks, my bad, lack of radar radome shows reconissance variant. I'll replace the photo with correct one - not to confuse further readers.

Edited May 28, 2023 by bies

[Logan54]

practical aerodinamics (how plane must fly) Практическая аэродинамика самолёта МиГ-25РБ. | Книги по авиации - самолет своими руками (radio-sarafan.ru)

probably there may be some interesting: MiG-25-Foxbat-and-MiG-31-Foxhound.pdf (vnfawing.com)

One of the most important reason to create Foxbat is big age of real MiG-25 pilots. Plane goes to history, pilots that can say about this jet too...

Edited May 28, 2023 by Logan54

[F-2]

Secret projects has some avonics manuals for the Mig-25P

 

i have a FOIA for Viktor Belenko’s manual. That request went to the DIA which has an abysmally long response time measured in years.

 

I sent a request today for

”Vulnerability Analysis of the Soviet MIG-21MF FISHBED J, MIG-25 FOXBAT, and SU-19 FENCER A Aircraft to Various 30mm, 35mm, and 40mm Projectiles” 

 

to Aberdeen proving grounds, can be up to 63 buisness days.

[Logan54]

7 часов назад, F-2 сказал:

Secret projects has some avonics manuals for the Mig-25P

 

i have a FOIA for Viktor Belenko’s manual. That request went to the DIA which has an abysmally long response time measured in years.

 

I sent a request today for

”Vulnerability Analysis of the Soviet MIG-21MF FISHBED J, MIG-25 FOXBAT, and SU-19 FENCER A Aircraft to Various 30mm, 35mm, and 40mm Projectiles” 

 

to Aberdeen proving grounds, can be up to 63 buisness days.

Is it mean you can get some confirmed information about Foxbat? So we can to proof that MiG-25 really good aircraft for DCS?

[draconus]

25 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

So we can to proof that MiG-25 really good aircraft for DCS?

It is really good aircraft for DCS, we don't need any confirmation. Will it help make one? Unfortunately, no.

[Logan54]

15 минут назад, draconus сказал:

It is really good aircraft for DCS, we don't need any confirmation. Will it help make one? Unfortunately, no.

Seems to me main reason is computer aircraft orientation by developers. So they prefer multi function jets bcos they will able to sell it.

[draconus]

2 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

Seems to me main reason is computer aircraft orientation by developers. So they prefer multi function jets bcos they will able to sell it.

That didn't stop the development of I-16, Yak-52, Christen Eagle II or trainer aircraft.

[okopanja]

44 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

Seems to me main reason is computer aircraft orientation by developers. So they prefer multi function jets bcos they will able to sell it.

 

Point of view:

 

[Dragon1-1]

Yeah, the I-16 was a passion project, Yak-52 and CEII are pretty much abandoned, and trainers are actually pretty flexible in light attack/COIN role. MiG-25 is a one-trick pony, and our maps are, for most part, not big enough for it to really shine. It was good at what it did, but aside from interception (boom and zoom only) and an occasional supersonic bombing run (no chance we get the SEAD version), it's not good for much.

[Logan54]

35 минут назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

 it's not good for much.

Can Hind shoot ATGMs to 10km as Apache? Has it FLIR or guided pilons? Hind has another philosophy, is cheap, fast and works as hammer, but is it bad? So If we will have Foxbat, It will use GCI that give him commands (real Foxbat receive GCI commands in aircraft control system and can to aim right on target w/o pilot). As it has powerful radar and IRST that distinguishes IR signature of person on the ground, It will see much more tactical information about battlefield. This is not autonomous jet concept, this is complex includes GCI+aircraft. No reason to loose in this way.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Logan54

[Dragon1-1]

Yeah, it's very good for interception, especially with GCI. Again, this is not enough to justify the module. Hind has plenty of missions (even including transport ones), while Foxbat is a one trick pony. There's just not enough to do with it. You can bomb with it (poorly, even accounting for epic loft capability) and you can press it into a recon mission, but ultimately, it's a single task aircraft. Even a MiG-23, which operated in a similar way (get in, launch all you have, GTFO at high mach) was equipped for a range of missions, and it could dogfight, albeit not particularly well.

[Logan54]

32 минуты назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

Foxbat is a one trick pony

When I fly Hind I usually do strike ops, yep possible to use it as cargo/troops heli, but for this ops we usually have Hip. We have Viggen, it also good in strike ops but too bad in BVR, it even can`t run against Fishbed or Farmer, but is it bad aircraft in this way?)

Anyway I understand that Foxbad will not too popular in mass, as many other modules in DCS, but who knows, who knows)

Typical CW is Tomcat at 40.000ft that intercept all that he see, noway to intercept it (for me), this is why we need Redfore interceptor)

OK guys, sorry me if I m too much want this one in DCS

Edited May 29, 2023 by Logan54

[Silver_Dragon]

The problem with the Mig-25 is its lack of capability, as much as you may want to compare it to an F-14B/D, it is closer to an A or an English Electric Lightning. Let's remember that its speed is not an advantage either, since the interception versions did not reach Mach 3, and only the reconnaissance / attack versions had that capability, at the cost of destroying their engines.

The comparisons are still a problem, low maneuverability against F-14/F-15 type interceptors and not to mention if it was with the additional fuel tank that was not launchable, overloaded the aircraft with weight, turning it into a stone and greatly reduced the maximum speed.

The range was equally problematic, the MiG-25PD [Foxbat E] only had a maximum range of 705 nautical miles, widely surpassed by F-14/F-15 and even F-16, even with a launchable tank, which increased its range by 295/310 nautical miles more, it was insufficient. 

Another point against it, was the ground attack capability... the bombs were a burden to the Attack / Recon versions and their launch was simply from a navigation point set before takeoff, and had no bombing system or sights as such except Attack version. The attack version lack the same problem, only have some capability with the Antiradar missiles.

The R-40RD and TD missiles suffered from lack of range against the AIM-7F/M although they were somewhat faster, the R-60 was outmatched by the Western AIM-9.

I post them the diferent Mig-25 versions:

MiG-25BM [Foxbat F] Attack
Man Rtng: 2.5/1.5 Damage Value: 38

Size/Signature: Medium/Medium Bombsight: Ballistic
Counterm: 2nd Gen J Inflight Refuel: N

Sensors: ELINT, 1st Gen RWR, Sych-M suite (see Remarks)
Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 400 460 560
Med: 560 625 1084
High: 560 790 1605
VHigh: 560 1350 1605

Ceiling: 20600 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 730 nmi Int Fuel: 14570 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
5300 L supersonic drop tank 4295 kg 310 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: e6000 kg
• 4 Kh-58U
• 1 drop tank, 2 Kh-58U
• 10 FAB-250 or 10 FAB-500 bombs
• 1 RN-40 nuclear bomb (estimated)

Remarks: In Svc: 1985 - 1992
Air defense suppression variant.
Max speed with drop tank carried is 860 knots; rarely carried in service due to speed restrictions.
Bomb targets must be pre-briefed and stationary - bomb range from VHigh altitude at 1350 knots is 22 nmi, bomb speed is 990 knots.
Sych-M (Little Owl) uses modified Kh-58 seeker to detect active radars - treat as 1st Gen ES with LOS range 108 nmi vs briefed targets and 81 nmi against other threats detected inflight in 270° - 90° arc.
Painted with false radome to resemble MiG-25P. No radar fitted.
• 1982-85: 40 produced. Each squadron (AE) has 12 a/c - 1st AE Aug 89-Jan 92, 3rd AE Jul 90-1991, 10th ORAP at Schchin, Belarus; 3rd AE, 931st ORAP at Werneuchen, East Germany Jun 86-Jul 90; 3rd AE AE, 164th OGRAP at Brzeg, Poland 1985 - Aug 89; 3rd AE, 151st OAPREB at Schchin, Belarus.
• 1 Jan 92: 26 remain in Belarus. Retired by Belarus 1993. Handful remain in Russia for training.
• 1992 - 95: Remaining Russian retired.

MiG-25P [Foxbat A] Interceptor
Man Rtng: 2.5/2.0 Damage Value: 38

Size/Signature: Medium/Medium Bombsight: Manual
Counterm: 2nd Gen D Inflight Refuel: N

Sensors: RP-SA Smerch-A radar, Gen 0 RWR
Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 400 540 650
Med: 560 625 720
High: 560 970 1170
VHigh: 560 1350 1620

Ceiling: 20695 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 785 nmi Int Fuel: 14570 kg

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 1900 kg
• 2 R-40R, 2 R-40T

Remarks: In Svc: Apr 72 - 84
Export MiG-25P are based on MiG-25PD (see MiG-25PD entry).
• PVO Regiments - seven in 1975, ten in Jan 80.
• 1975: Fitted with RP-SA Smerch-A2 radar. Improved Smerch-A, allows R-40R missiles to attack targets in the Low altitude band.
• 1979 - 84: 370 converted to MiG-25PDS (see MiG-25PD entry).

MiG-25PD [Foxbat E] Interceptor
Man Rtng: 2.5/2.0 Damage Value: 38
Size/Signature: Medium/Medium Bombsight: Manual

Sensors: RP-25M Sapfir-25 radar, 1st Gen RWR
Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 400 540 650
Med: 560 625 720
High: 560 970 1170
VHigh: 560 1350 1620

Ceiling: 20700 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 705 nmi Int Fuel: 14570 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
5300 L supersonic drop tank 4295 kg 295 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 1900 kg
• 2 R-40RD, 2 R-40TD
• 2 R-40RD, 4 R-60
• Can add 1 drop tank on C/L (overload, maneuver rating 0.5)
Remarks: In Svc: 1979 - 94
Max speed with drop tank carried is 860 knots; rarely carried in service due to speed restrictions.
Late production have 2nd Gen D.
All export have Gen 0 RWR.
• 1978 - 82: 104 MiG-25PD produced.
• 1979: Export MiG-25PDS available with RP-SA Smerch-A radar, R-40R, R-40T to Algeria 16 from 1979, Iraq 25 from 1980, Libya 65 or 80 from 1979 and Syria 16 from 1979.
• 1979 - 84: 370 converted from MiG-25P to MiG-25PDS. Lacks provision for C/L drop tank. Nine ex-Ukraine to Algeria in 1997. 
• 1982 - Aug 89: Deploys to 787th IAP at Finow, East Germany to deter SR-71A.
• 1984: Export MiG-25PD available with RP-SA Smerch-A2 radar adds R-40RD, R-40TD. Iraq 30 from 1984 and Syria 15 from 1984.
• 1987: Commence training against Low and slow targets. PVO has 4 MiG-25PD and 9 MiG-25PDS regiments.
• 1980s: MiG-25PDZ canceled due to lack of air to air tankers, would have added inflight refueling probe. One prototype in 1986.

MiG-25RB [Foxbat B/D] Reconnaissance
Man Rtng: 2.5/1.5 Damage Value: 38

Size/Signature: Medium/Medium Bombsight: None
Counterm: See Remarks Inflight Refuel: N

Sensors: See Remarks
Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 430 540 650
Med: 540 595 720
High: 540 970 1170
VHigh: 540 1350 1620

Ceiling: 23000 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 840 nmi Int Fuel: 13430 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
5300 L supersonic drop tank 4295 kg 385 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 5000 kg
• none (recon)
• 1 drop tank
• 4 FAB-500M62T (standard recon/attack)
• 8 FAB-500M62T (First Gen)
• 10 FAB-500M62T (Second Gen)
• 1 RN-40 nuclear bomb (estimated)

Remarks: In Svc: 1970 - 2013
Max speed with drop tank carried is 860 knots; rarely carried in service due to speed restrictions.
Can carry special heat-insulated FAB-500M62T bombs, max speed 1350 knots, ceiling 21000 meters. 
Max speed with Recon and bombing targets must be a fixed point and selected before takeoff.
Bomb range from VHigh altitude at 1350 knots is 22 nmi, bomb speed is 990 knots.
ELINT is ES recorded for post-mission only.
25 MiG-25R, 196 other versions.
• Export to Algeria, Bulgaria, India, Iraq, Libya, Syria. Bulgaria probably has MiG-25RBT. Remainder MiG-25RBT and MiG-25RBV with Gen 0 RWR and jammer removed.

• First generation with Gen 0 RWR and 1st Gen ECM:
• MiG-25R [Foxbat B]. Cameras, ELINT. Not fitted with drop tank or bombs. In service 1970. To MiG-25RB by mid 1970s.
• MiG-25RB [Foxbat B]. Cameras, ELINT. In service Dec 70. To MiG-25RBV from 1973.
• MiG-25RBK [Foxbat D]. 1st Gen ES with sensor link. In service Dec 70 - 80. Updated to MiG-25RBF.
• MiG-25RBS [Foxbat D]. Sablya SLAR. In service 1973 - 80s. Sablya can only be used from VHigh altitude. Updated to MiG-25RBSh.
• MiG-25RBV [Foxbat B]. Cameras, ELINT. In service 1973 - 80s. Updated to MiG-25RBT.

• Second generation with 1st Gen RWR and 2nd Gen ECM:
• MiG-25RBF [Foxbat D]. 2nd Gen ES and sensor link. In service 1980 - 13.
• MiG-25RBSh [Foxbat D]. Shompol SLAR. In scv 1981 - 13.
• MiG-25RBT [Foxbat D]. Cameras, ELINT. In service 1980 - 13.

• 1971: Six MiG-25RB based in Egypt.
• 1975: Nuclear bomb capability by this date.
• 1980s: MiG-25RBS and MiG-25RBV tested with inflight refueling probe as MiG-25RBSDZ and MiG-25RBVDZ. Program canceled.

Radars:

Country / System / Function / Generation / Range vs Target: Large / Medium / Small / VSmall / Stealthy / Engagement Targets / Radar Arc / IOC / Remarks

• Russia / RP-SA Smerch-A2 [Fox Fire] / AI / 2 / 54 / 53 / 38 / 15 / 5 / 1 / 120° / 1972 / MiG-25P
• Russia / RP-25M Saphir-25 [High Lark IV] / LD/SD / 4 / 62 / 61 / 44 / 18 / 5 / 1 / 120° / 1979 / MiG-25PD, also known as N-005

Missiles:

• Guided Air Ordnance:

Country Name / Guidance - Generation / Range (nmi) / Speed (kts) / Flight Type / Hang Weight (kg) / Damage / Armour Penetration (cm)1 / Signature / IOC  / Remarks

• Russia / Kh-58U / I/PRH/2 / 5.4 - 66 / 2065 / Direct / 650 / D6+3 / 1 / VSmall / 1984 / C, S, T, U
• C - Terminal dive in last turn.
• S - Not tunable after takeoff
• T - Can be used against HAWK, IHAWK and Nike Hercules - not Patriot.
• U - Uses Fantasmagoria pod on Su-24M.

 

• Air To Air Missiles (Added R-40RD1 / R-40TD1 / R-60M/MK as follow missile as available on soviet forces).

Country / Name / Guidance / ATA Rating / Max Range (nmi) / Hang Weight (kg) / Speed (kts) / Aspect / Dog fight? / Snap U/D? / Ceiling Alt Band / IOC / Remarks

• Russia / R-40R [AA-6a Acrid ] / SARH/2 / 1.0 / 18.3 / 455 / 2582 / A / N / N / VHigh / 1972 / HOJ, H, T
• Russia / R-40RD [AA-6a Acrid] / SARH/3 / 2.0 / 26.4 / 461 / 2582 / A / N / Y / VHigh / 1980 / HOJ
• Russia / R-40RD1 [AA-6 Acrid] / I/M/TSARH/3 / 2.5 / 32.4 / 472 / 2582 / A / Y / Y / VHigh / 1985 / HOJ
• Russia / R-40T [AA-6b Acrid] / IRH/2 / 1.5 / 8 / 468 / 2582 / W / N / N / VHigh / 1972 / E, H
• Russia / R-40TD [AA-6b Acrid] / IRH/3 / 2.5 / 13.8 / 467 / 2582 / A / N / N / VHigh  / 1980
• Russia / R-40TD1 [AA-6 Acrid] / I/TIRH/3 / 2.5 / 13.8 / 470 / 2582 / A / Y / N / VHigh / 1985
• Russia / R-60, R-60K [AA-8 Aphid] / IRH/1 / 1.0 / 3.9 / 44 / 1721 / W / Y / N / VHigh / 1975
• Russia / R-60M, R-60MK [AA-8 Aphid] / IRH/2 / 1.5 / 4.3 / 45 / 1721 / W / Y / N / VHigh / 1982
• HOJ - Home on Jam
• E - Min Target Altitud Band Low
• H - Must Be fire on level flight, No Dogfight Use
• T - Min target altitude band Medium with RP-SA or Low with RP-25

Edited May 29, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[draconus]

8 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

The problem with the Mig-25 is...

These are called specifications, not problems - sounds like fun to model and play.

Edited May 29, 2023 by draconus

[WinterH]

Just now, draconus said:

This are called specifications, not problems, sounds like fun to model and simulation.

Exactly.