requested Support FFB on Rudder axis

[Vakarian]

With the proliferation of FFB devices, mostly thanks to Walmis with VPForce Rhino, there was the talks of creating FFB rudder pedals.

IIRC, the kit for MFG rudder pedals will be available soon, but from what the devs are saying DCS does not support FFB effects on the Rudder axis, only for Pitch/Roll.

Main use case would be to support anti-torque pedals trimming for the helos that support it, but also to offload some of the haptic feedback to the pedals as well.

 

I have searched the thread, didn't found another thread so I'm making this one. Please, take this into consideration, folks with FFB pedals will be really happy and by the looks of it, there'll be more and more of them.

[Gunfreak]

9 hours ago, Vakarian said:

With the proliferation of FFB devices, mostly thanks to Walmis with VPForce Rhino, there was the talks of creating FFB rudder pedals.

IIRC, the kit for MFG rudder pedals will be available soon, but from what the devs are saying DCS does not support FFB effects on the Rudder axis, only for Pitch/Roll.

Main use case would be to support anti-torque pedals trimming for the helos that support it, but also to offload some of the haptic feedback to the pedals as well.

 

I have searched the thread, didn't found another thread so I'm making this one. Please, take this into consideration, folks with FFB pedals will be really happy and by the looks of it, there'll be more and more of them.

Yes please, I have FFB stick, sadly the FFB effects are completely modual dependent. ED made warbirds do not have very good FFB.  While F14 and Viggen has great.

I have MFG pedals, so will definitely get a FFB kit for them.

[walmis]

Worse yet is that DCS does not take account which device and which axis is bound in the controls. If there are multiple FFB devices, DCS will send X,Y axis effects and trim position to multiple FFB  devices. So if you have FFB stick and pedals connected at the same time, both pedals and stick will receive the stick (x,y) trim position. Luckily we made workarounds when using TelemFFB.

Additionally DCS could add more data to export.lua interface, such as actual trim position, the rest we can implement in TelemFFB app.

[zerO_crash]

This has to get pushed through at accelerated rate! While few have FFB-stick, and even fewer have FFB-pedals, it is quintessential for flying. It's also such a basic functionality, core to any simulation being serious about its objective, that its importance cannot be overstated!

 

ED, please do get on point here.

Edited May 5, 2024 by zerO_crash

[shwed]

FFB pedals were delivered to the ED office in February, we are waiting for ED realized.

Edited May 5, 2024 by shwed

[zerO_crash]

Fantastic

[Mnemonic]

Brunner produces FFB pedals, would be nice to have this supported, as eventually we will see cheaper alternatives on the market.

[shwed]

16 часов назад, Mnemonic сказал:

Brunner produces FFB pedals, would be nice to have this supported, as eventually we will see cheaper alternatives on the market.

Brunner device
Motors - 0.47nm
price ~2k$

FFBeast device
Motors - 15nm
price ~600-800$

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[zerO_crash]

16 minutes ago, shwed said:

Brunner device
Motors - 0.47nm
price ~2k$

FFBeast device
Motors - 15nm
price ~600-800$

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I'm using Brunner CLS-E with CLS-E MK. II rudder pedals. Splendid quality and build. Getting the CLS-P soon (want realistic loads).
 

*Brunner CLS-E - 4.2NM

  Brunner CLS-P - 50NM

 

Interesting about the FFBeast, though. Never heard of it. Looks pretty neat too, esp. considering it's a DIY-build. Is this your initative, Shwed?

 

Это отправлено ЕД?

Edited May 6, 2024 by zerO_crash

[Mnemonic]

Great! Brunner also updated their devices though, it's 6.8Nm for joystick CLS-E Mk.2 and cost is 1.2k and not 2k.

Pedals cost 1.8k and they improved force for motors as well.

 

But that's not the point, the point is - there are and will be FFB devices (joysticks and pedals) in different price ranges, and features, which is nice.

[shwed]

55 минут назад, zerO_crash сказал:

Это отправлено ЕД?

Yes, these devices were presented by the ED.

 

FFBeast force

Pedals: 30kg - 66lbs,  joystick: up to 25kg -55lbs

 

Diskord  -https://discord.gg/dzhTk9ryCs

[zerO_crash]

8 minutes ago, shwed said:

Yes, these devices were presented by the ED.

 

FFBeast force

Pedals: 30kg - 66lbs,  joystick: up to 25kg -55lbs

 

Diskord  -https://discord.gg/dzhTk9ryCs

[Terrorvogel]

[Vakarian]

Huh, as we are coming up on almost a year since this thread has been opened (and there have been requests before this as well), could maybe @BIGNEWY or @NineLine ping devs to see is there a chance for this becoming a thing soon:tm:

Also, check Walmis' comment about DCS not recognizing multiple FFB devices. It would be really appreciated to have this done natively.

On 4/22/2024 at 12:22 PM, walmis said:

Worse yet is that DCS does not take account which device and which axis is bound in the controls. If there are multiple FFB devices, DCS will send X,Y axis effects and trim position to multiple FFB  devices. So if you have FFB stick and pedals connected at the same time, both pedals and stick will receive the stick (x,y) trim position. Luckily we made workarounds when using TelemFFB.

Additionally DCS could add more data to export.lua interface, such as actual trim position, the rest we can implement in TelemFFB app.

 

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, Vakarian said:

Huh, as we are coming up on almost a year since this thread has been opened (and there have been requests before this as well), could maybe @BIGNEWY or @NineLine ping devs to see is there a chance for this becoming a thing soon:tm:

Also, check Walmis' comment about DCS not recognizing multiple FFB devices. It would be really appreciated to have this done natively.

 

Hi, I'm sorry it is taking a long time, but I hope to have some answers eventually, but at the moment I can not share any news. All I can say is it has been requested. 

[Vakarian]

Thanks, this is still a nice step forward