Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[MAXsenna]

Is that a guess, or do you actually have it working?
That extension is intended for a Winwing base, while the Moza base has a Trustmaster connector.

Correct. Looking at the pictures it's an adapter/extension from 5 pin DIN male (TM, Virpil, Moza) to a 6 pin DIN male (PS/2) which WinWing uses.

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A friend asked me for help today so had a look not sure if he has placed an order yet.
As far as I know Moza will work with Winwing you just need a connector.
If he gets one I will update you.

Yeah, but it's the wrong one. He'll be disappointed.

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[rapid]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Correct. Looking at the pictures it's an adapter/extension from 5 pin DIN male (TM, Virpil, Moza) to a 6 pin DIN male (PS/2) which WinWing uses.

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Yeah, but it's the wrong one. He'll be disappointed.

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Stuff me!

[MAXsenna]

Stuff me!

Go turkey, go!

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[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Oh, on the F-4, that might be right. In the F-14 on the other hand, the stick should move. 

 

[MAXsenna]

10 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

 

Did you test the roll/X axis as well? 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Nope, not in the video. But I have tried it elsewhere that it seems to work.

 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

 

[Rifter]

11 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

 

I'm a little disappointed with your PJ pants - I was expecting a slightly flashier fabric pattern...

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

To be fair, I have already apologised for that...Anyway, it is from Uniquo, more like a home comfortable pants which some time, I sleep in it.

 

[Biggus]

Mine arrived today after ordering on October 10.  I thought I was prepared for the size of the thing, I knew the dimensions and I'd thought I'd made appropriate accommodations for it.  I was still stunned when I sat it beside my beloved WarBRD, though.

First impressions are really positive.  Had to reorder my export.lua to put the Moza line at the top in order for SRS to work, and updating the firmware wasn't particularly intuitive, but I'm happy with my purchase.

[Rifter]

On 10/30/2024 at 11:55 AM, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

To be fair, I have already apologised for that...Anyway, it is from Uniquo, more like a home comfortable pants which some time, I sleep in it.

Please don't take my comment seriously. By the way, my favorite cockpit outfit variant looks like this...

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Noted, looks very relaxing... it may be too cold for the UK...

Edited October 31, 2024 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

BTW, after getting some advice, I am reverted to the regular orientation, as I am told I should shed 200mm in height, which means that I should get rid of the paper box. So, there is no need to rotate the base to get the stick closer.

[rapid]

3 hours ago, Biggus said:

Mine arrived today after ordering on October 10.  I thought I was prepared for the size of the thing, I knew the dimensions and I'd thought I'd made appropriate accommodations for it.  I was still stunned when I sat it beside my beloved WarBRD, though.

First impressions are really positive.  Had to reorder my export.lua to put the Moza line at the top in order for SRS to work, and updating the firmware wasn't particularly intuitive, but I'm happy with my purchase.

Still got yours quicker than mine. Enjoy it, Been advised to keep spring settings to "0" see how you get on.

[MAXsenna]

BTW, after getting some advice, I am reverted to the regular orientation, as I am told I should shed 200mm in height, which means that I should get rid of the paper box. So, there is no need to rotate the base to get the stick closer.

Oh! I completely missed the point that you had re-orientated it. No wonder it was such a hassle with the trim. Remember to redo that as well.
Ans stupid question. You are aware the difference between swapping and inverting the FFB axis?

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[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

No problem, I have went through the pain and revert every single gorram plane settings.

There is no stupid question, only stupid answer -- yes, I finally figure out the difference. Well, I don't blame the developers, since it is very rare, or they think nobody in their right mind would rotate the HOTAS base...

[Hiob]

Just a heads up for everybody interested in the Moza FFB stick.

It seems that Moza has pretty shamelessly used the Rhino Software (TelemFFB) as "inspiration" (cough) for their effects software - including ctrl+c, ctrl+v. Which is fine (fair use rules) if they also open source their software. (Which I'm not aware of right now).

However, keep in mind who deserves the recognition here and who put in the real work!

Cheers! 

[Aapje]

There is no issue if they copy the functionality, rather than the actual code.

[Hiob]

50 minutes ago, Aapje said:

There is no issue if they copy the functionality, rather than the actual code.

 If it was the functionality they copied, I wouldn’t have posted it here, but they they literally used the code.

[walmis]

I'll provide some evidence supporting a possible GPLv3 violation.

I've examined strings extracted from the Moza executable, which hint at an underlying connection to the open-source VPforce TelemFFB project. Within Moza's code, we see identifiers like vp_dcs and VpAlgorithm that incorporate the "vp" prefix, a clear nod to VPforce, though they don't exactly mirror VPforce’s original identifiers. This suggests that Moza's software may be a derivative work inspired by or partially based on TelemFFB.

Given the technical leap from Python to C++, Moza likely used AI-powered tools, potentially GPT-based, to translate parts of the Python-based TelemFFB core code into C++ for their compiled binary. If Moza's code does indeed derive from TelemFFB, GPLv3 would require them to release their own source code under the same open-source license, something they haven't done.

This evidence suggests that Moza may have created a derivative product based on TelemFFB without complying with GPLv3, raising concerns about a possible license violation.

Next we see hastily 1:1 copied effect adjustment names

They even copy pasted damage variables into their export.lua (even the line endings match!)

So to summarize (thanks ChatGPT)

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If someone takes your GPLv3-licensed code, translates it into another language (such as converting Python code to C++), and then releases it as a commercial product without open-sourcing the derivative work under GPLv3, this would indeed constitute a GPLv3 license violation.

The GPLv3 license has strict requirements designed to protect both the freedom of the software and the rights of its original authors. Specifically, it mandates that any derivative works—whether modified, extended, or translated into a new programming language—must also be released under the GPLv3 license. This obligation applies regardless of whether the derived software is distributed for free or sold as a commercial product. Simply put, if a company or individual modifies or translates GPLv3-licensed code and distributes the result without adhering to the GPLv3 terms (e.g., by keeping the code proprietary), they’re in violation of the license.

To comply with GPLv3 in such cases, the entity creating the derivative work would need to:

• Release their derivative product under GPLv3, including all associated source code, ensuring that the product remains free and open-source.
• Credit the original authors and include the original GPLv3 license text to acknowledge the code’s origins and respect the original licensing terms.
• Grant others the same freedoms by allowing them to modify, share, and redistribute the derived work under GPLv3, keeping the software in the open-source ecosystem.

Failing to meet these obligations, as in the case of a proprietary release, would directly conflict with GPLv3 requirements and could lead to legal action or community backlash.

In summary, GPLv3 provides a framework that safeguards the openness of derivative works, and any company leveraging GPLv3 code for commercial gain is obligated to respect and uphold these terms.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2024 by walmis

[zcaa0g]

Can't say I'm surprised.  heh

[Aapje]

Hmm, that is very naughty (also, legally so).

[petsild]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:28 PM, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

 

Hi,

on such a long extension, do you have minimal deflection correction.

Is that how all helicopters behave for you?

[Hiob]

5 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Hmm, that is very naughty (also, legally so).

„In bird culture this is considered a dick move!“ 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

10 minutes ago, petsild said:

Hi,

on such a long extension, do you have minimal deflection correction.

Is that how all helicopters behave for you?

I am not sure but as you can see in the video, the control is quite fine. Yes, those are the proof of my poor skill.