What camp are you in? AP channels or NO AP channels...

[KosPilot]

BS is such a fantastic sim, but most people do not seem to appreciate the ultra realistic flight model. When listening to real pilots, they always seem to appreciate the most the one aircraft that they are able to really "connect" or "become one" with. Let me tell you; You can connect with DCS:BS, but you will have to switch off the AP channels to truly enjoy your ride!

 

I do agree, AP do have its use, but not all the time!

 

For the ones of you that like a challenge and would like to give unrestricted (yes, that is without AP) flight a go, have a good look at this .trk file. I am not a pro, so if I can..., then there is a very good chance that YOU CAN TOO!

(Sometimes a .trk file goes bad and the flight is catastrophicly misrepresented. Let me know if that happens.)

 

AND... If you think the M1A2 Abrams is impervious to cannon fire, there's also the evidence that they're NOT.

 

Enjoy your "new" sim :D

No AP Demo.trk

[71st_Mastiff]

we get a new patch or something new sim?

[Isegrim]

Ahm ???

 

I dont understand the Poll>the Complete theme> and why you postet this Track. :huh:

 

Be sure there are many Pilots which can Handle the Shark Without AP channels on.

And its a Good Training for emergency Situations.

 

But this sounds to me like you want to share The BS Pilots into two Camps .

:mad:

[Bucic]

Where's the "I keep my left hand on the control stick which is on the right and my right hand on the throttle which is on my left, while keeping the printed extended manual in my teeth" because that would be perfectly compatible with NEVER! I want full control! and alike :doh:

[Xxx]

How many Real World Ka 50 pilots fly without the Autopilot chanels engaged?

 

Is it not a stability augmentation system which is also used together with the automatic flight modes?

 

Personally my Ka 50 flies better with it on! Being alone in the cockpit I require the aircraft to be as stable as possible, so I can employ the weapons systems.:D

[isoul]

I always fly with the AP channels ON. I even use the AP Altitude Hold which comes in handy when you want to maintain a level flight or when you want to maintain AGL altitude. In case I want to get ride of the 20% AP authority I use the Flight Director.... usually in quite tight areas.

[MTFDarkEagle]

You do know real ka-50 pilots aren't allowed to switch of the AP channels do you? :P

 

Anyway: I don't agree with your poll options.

I always have AP channels on, and I'm in full control all the time. So it's not so much as a "smooth ride".

[KosPilot]

we get a new patch or something new sim?

 

No, but you may have a new experience flying w/o AP :joystick:

 

Ahm ???

 

I dont understand the Poll>the Complete theme> and why you postet this Track. :huh:

 

Be sure there are many Pilots which can Handle the Shark Without AP channels on.

And its a Good Training for emergency Situations.

 

But this sounds to me like you want to share The BS Pilots into two Camps .

:mad:

 

I am also sure that there are a lot of BS pilots out there being able to complete their missions w/o AP, if necessary, and I want to know who!

With what seem to me to be dwindling interest in BS, I would like to know who is in for the long run. Normally that would be pilots who are still willing to explore the boundaries of this excellent sim. One of the boundaries is the ability to nurse you and your stricken bird home to safety even if your hydraulics are shot up. If we wanna be real about it, ejecting over enemy territory could after all be a bit of a gamble.

 

The .trk file is to prove to sceptics that flight w/o AP can be perfectly safe and even enjoyable.

 

A BS pilot is a BS pilot is a BS pilot... About camping; some set up the tent in their back yard while others go to the South Pole :D

 

Where's the "I keep my left hand on the control stick which is on the right and my right hand on the throttle which is on my left, while keeping the printed extended manual in my teeth" because that would be perfectly compatible with NEVER! I want full control! and alike :doh:

 

Hehe, you're very critical, and I like it :D

That's why you have the collective brake, your knees to arrest the cyclic and your pilots training.

 

How many Real World Ka 50 pilots fly without the Autopilot chanels engaged?

 

Is it not a stability augmentation system which is also used together with the automatic flight modes?

 

Personally my Ka 50 flies better with it on! Being alone in the cockpit I require the aircraft to be as stable as possible, so I can employ the weapons systems.:D

 

To be honest, I don't know IF a real world Ka-50 pilot would fly w/o AP. Some say not. We should ask one! And yes, you'll have to activate the AP channels to use automatic flight mode.

 

I do accept everybodys preference and I don't think there is any right or wrong. What matters to me is that when I fly with AP channels active, I am deprived from unlocking and enjoying the true nature of flying a rotor-craft.

 

I always fly with the AP channels ON. I even use the AP Altitude Hold which comes in handy when you want to maintain a level flight or when you want to maintain AGL altitude. In case I want to get ride of the 20% AP authority I use the Flight Director.... usually in quite tight areas.

 

I agree that being alone in the cockpit necessitates the use of aid to keep the bird stabile during target acquisition and interrogation.

The poll is about "normal flight" but without a proper definition that could mean anything, but let's just say basic maneouvering :smilewink: . I like learning about peoples preferences and maybe pick up something new along the way :)

 

You do know real ka-50 pilots aren't allowed to switch of the AP channels do you? :P

 

Anyway: I don't agree with your poll options.

I always have AP channels on, and I'm in full control all the time. So it's not so much as a "smooth ride".

 

Readily positioned on your cyclic, there is the "Emergency AP disengage".

What do you think a "real Ka-50" pilot would do in the event that AP channels are no longer available?

[MTFDarkEagle]

I didn't say anything about failures :)

 

Right: I'll rewrite: You do know real ka-50 pilots aren't allowed to switch off the AP channels in normal operation do you?

 

*That better? :P

 

And: I believe the switch your are talking about disengages the autopilot, not the channels.

Edited March 27, 2011 by MTFDarkEagle

[KosPilot]

I didn't say anything about failures :)

 

Right: I'll rewrite: You do know real ka-50 pilots aren't allowed to switch off the AP channels in normal operation do you?

 

*That better? :P

 

And: I believe the switch your are talking about disengages the autopilot, not the channels.

 

I don't mean to be difficult, alright? ;)

Please provide the original source of information about operational use of AP. However, I do understand why there may be such regulations.

The pilots would still have to practice flying w/o AP in order to develop and maintain their flying skills. With the sim focusing on realism, I see all kinds of reasons why learning how to fully operate the aircraft w/o AP. :pilotfly:

 

I'll rewrite as well: What would YOU do in the event that AP channels are no longer available?

 

-The "Emergency AP Disengage" switch on your cyclic will disengage all your AP channels.

Edited March 27, 2011 by KosPilot
Rewrite

[Macross]

Interesting subject. I have seen it stated many times that actual russian pilots would be in all sorts of trouble if found to be flying without AP... but i find this hard to believe. If, as stated, that the machine was damaged, and Hydrolics failed and all AP channels were lost, is the pilot supposed to fumble for the first time in an aircraft that he suddenly dosnt know how to fly?

 

I tend to use both on and off. Off when transitioning from point to point in order to be able to manuver with great agility. Then when stationary behind cover and preparing for targeting i switch on AP's to help steady while i concerntrate on other systems. Personaly i think this is the most realistic mix that would be adopted. Flying the shark without AP's on is like running in bare feet compared to gum boots filled with water. :) Im with you KosPilot... i think that you need to use both in order to operate effectivly and realisticly.

[andysim]

well my car has powersteering, will turning it off make me a better driver? i think not :smartass:

[isoul]

The Ka-50 is designed as a single seat rotor-craft and thus it is equipped with a fair amount of systems that reduces pilot's workload.

 

AP Channel Emergency Off is for ... emergency situations. Probably a failure/malfunction or when you get seriously hit.

 

To be able to fly the Shark w/o AP channels is essential in case of emergency. To learn how to use AP channels (not just fly with them turned on) in your advantage is essential when you have to be efficient in combat.

 

While I fly with AP turned on I have no problem controling the Shark w/o AP channels. Still this occurs in 1% (or less) of my flight time with the Shark.

 

In case anyone is quite good in flying combat missions w/o AP channels, I am sure he would be even better with AP channels turned on, given he is willing to learn.

[msalama]

Huh? AP channels always on of course, just like the real thing.

[Sulman]

The KA50 is stable and can be easily flown without the channels engaged.

 

Now. The question is, why would you? On the DCS battlefield there's plenty of thinking you need to do in order to carry out your task and survive. Why fight the machine when you have to fight everything else?

[Bucic]

I do accept everybodys preference and I don't think there is any right or wrong.

 

I try to welcome rookies and push them in the right direction of learning a hardcore sim and I'm not the only one. It obviously takes some time and effort. This kind of ideas and frivolous attitude towards training makes it harder. This is why I will welcome such initiatives with a caring although firm :smilewink:

Edited March 28, 2011 by Bucic

[RogueRunner]

The KA50 is stable and can be easily flown without the channels engaged.

 

Now. The question is, why would you? On the DCS battlefield there's plenty of thinking you need to do in order to carry out your task and survive. Why fight the machine when you have to fight everything else?

 

False sense of accomplishment :music_whistling:

[astrospud]

Having trouble flying without AP?

In options, set a user curve on the cyclic until you're happy and comfortable with it.

Then you won't be fighting the machine any more.

[Madog]

What camp am i in? TEAM EDWARD!!!11

 

no wait, that something different :)

[Sulman]

Having trouble flying without AP?

In options, set a user curve on the cyclic until you're happy and comfortable with it.

Then you won't be fighting the machine any more.

 

I've yet to see a curves setting that can hold a hover at rooftop level whilst you scan terrain with shkval.

 

I've yet to see a curves setting that allows you to plan an approach on ABRIS whilst at 5 metres NOE at 280KPH

 

The tools are there for you to use.

[Bucic]

I've yet to see a curves setting that can hold a hover at rooftop level whilst you scan terrain with shkval.

 

I've yet to see a curves setting that allows you to plan an approach on ABRIS whilst at 5 metres NOE at 280KPH

 

The tools are there for you to use.

I think you misunderstood spud's post :)

[msalama]

I don't think this is about whether someone's having trouble flying the beast with AP off, but whether it makes sense to do so in the first place unless you HAVE to. Am I right or am I right :D

[AlphaOneSix]

All medium to large helicopters, and many small ones, have some kind of stability augmentation system. Pilots practice flying without it in case of emergency. The other 99.99% of the time, they fly with it on. Why? The power steering analogy is best so far, I think.

 

The beauty here is that it's your game and you can play it however you want. If it makes you feel more in control to fly with AP off, more power to you. Just don't go telling the rest of us that we're missing out on something by using the AP all the time, because we're clearly not.

[Bucic]

Just don't go telling the rest of us that we're missing out on something by using the AP all the time, because we're clearly not.

This is what I was trying to say with my biting on printed copy of manual analogy :)

[Isegrim]

Fly the Shark with only one Engine gives you also a new feeling of that Sim.:thumbup: :lol: