Submarines

[Tomahawk]

Hi Guys

I made some tests with submarines today in Black Shark, but they do not work very well.

First problem: They don't dive

Second problem: Thy don't attack anything (neither planes nor ships)

Are this things not implemented or do I handle them incorrect?

 

Tomahawk

[Jona33]

Submarines aren't great. Attacking I'm not sure but as far as I know there isn't any underwater world for Black Shark. The sea is just a surface however many centimetres deep. I don't know if they even model the whole ship or just the bit that sticks out above the sea.

[EtherealN]

This is "things not implemented".

(I'm sure you can see the limited utility of spending valuable resources developing a submarine simulation for a game that centers on an Army attack helicopter... :P )

[Speed]

This is "things not implemented".

(I'm sure you can see the limited utility of spending valuable resources developing a submarine simulation for a game that centers on an Army attack helicopter... :P )

I disagree, as long as the game includes triggers and especially if the game includes Lua, then submarines are, in a way, implemented, as you can implement virtual submarines through triggers. I did this in the mission "Sink the SAGs". Ka-27 ASW helos fly around through various search areas, searching for the two virtual "Los Angeles" subs that exist only in triggers. If the Ka-27s are low and slow and in one of their search areas, then every once in a while they can "launch a torpedo", which has a 1 in 4 chance of killing the sub they launched it against. If the "submarine" survives the attack, then it goes into evasion mode for 30 minutes.

 

Meanwhile, if a particular "submarine" is not in evasion mode and is alive, then it has a random chance every few minutes of sinking one of the actual, enemy ships (via an "explode unit" trigger).

 

So you can implement some crude submarine and anti-submarine warfare with nothing more than about a thousand triggers (much of which are just random variables set at mission start). When integration with A-10C comes, it should bring with it better Lua functionality, and this will be MUCH, MUCH, MUCH easier to do.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Speed

[EtherealN]

That's not quite what I mean by something being "implemented". Through that reasoning and technique you can equally say that the Roswell saucer is "implemented", or for that matter the Jules Verne digger... :P

[Speed]

That's not quite what I mean by something being "implemented". Through that reasoning and technique you can equally say that the Roswell saucer is "implemented", or for that matter the Jules Verne digger... :P

 

Touché... but what's the Jules Verne digger? From Journey to the Center of the Earth or something? I only ever read 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

[EtherealN]

Yeah, that one. I don't recall the actual name of it, so I came up with one of my own. :P

 

(As an aside, they're available online for free through the gutenberg project - they're old enough to be public domain. :) )

[FifthColumnist]

If you want to hunt subs in a helo (or helos in a sub) then try Dangerous Waters.

[Haggart]

Yeah, dangerous waters is fascinating, I remember days when we sit with 5 people+pc's spread over my basement in one sub, them manning different stations, me having the SA... then I walk to the coffee machine in the ground floor, and someone shouts "TORPEDO IN THE WATER!" from down there... I don't remember having ran that stairs ever that quickly down... xD

 

Anyway, something like basic naval warfare in DCS would be cool, sure, but we probably should remember it's primarily a flight simulation (no offense :) ), so as long we have the possibility to build such situations by trigger, I'm satisfied.

[Tomahawk]

I didn't say something of a submarine simulation and when the submarines in BS can't dive then it's ok (would have been nice if they could but it's ok). I just wondered why they don't attack. When you fly to close to a cruiser, its SAMs shoot you down. But the submarines don't even defend themselves although they have SAMs.

 

Tomahawk