dotChuckles Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Apologies, I have not got to this sooner. I don't have the track in front of me so I am typing from memory. I watched your track and can pretty much see that what you are experiencing is being caused by your controls not being returned to centre. You were in a very dynamic manoeuvre at the time with your rudders moving at the time that it occurred. Also you used a very quick single click trim command while still moving the controls. I recommend you follow my advice about checking calibration of your controls and adding a deadzone. The problem will go away. I had the exact same issues with an old X-52. Also, as an aside. Unless your stick is force feedback, the method for trimming that a lot of people (including myself) have adopted is to press and hold the trim button while performing the manoeuvre, and then release the button, then centre your controls. If you do a search of the forum you will find a lot of advice on this. Again, please check your control calibration that windows is recognising that your joystick and rudders are registering as returned to centre and add deadzones to your axis in DCS:W. Good luck. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
porky_pig Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 Apologies, I have not got to this sooner. I don't have the track in front of me so I am typing from memory. I watched your track and can pretty much see that what you are experiencing is being caused by your controls not being returned to centre. You were in a very dynamic manoeuvre at the time with your rudders moving at the time that it occurred. Also you used a very quick single click trim command while still moving the controls. I recommend you follow my advice about checking calibration of your controls and adding a deadzone. The problem will go away. I had the exact same issues with an old X-52. Also, as an aside. Unless your stick is force feedback, the method for trimming that a lot of people (including myself) have adopted is to press and hold the trim button while performing the manoeuvre, and then release the button, then centre your controls. If you do a search of the forum you will find a lot of advice on this. Again, please check your control calibration that windows is recognising that your joystick and rudders are registering as returned to centre and add deadzones to your axis in DCS:W. Good luck. This is the bug you were referring to in the -50. The bug Im referring to is in the Huey. Ive stated more than once that the bug is 100% completely different than the bug I have shown here, and I will post that track when it happens again. Even then, I have tested this a few times - you can move the controls with the trim button depressed and/or off center, and these controls are frozen completely.
porky_pig Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 After further testing, Ive noticed that it is indeed bugged in the Ka-50 as well. In both of these tracks, I left the stick purposely uncentered every time when I was stable and high enough to play with the aircraft. Almost all of the time (not every time), the stick and rudder are dead frozen until the stick is returned to center. 9 out of 10 times did the stick respond after returning the stick to center. The 1 time out of 10, the stick and rudder did not respond at all, no matter what position the stick and rudder were at when I untrimmed the aircraft. I knew I wasnt crazy. I am still trying to replicate the problem in the Huey, but this one is few and far between. Just to disspell any doubts that my stick is the problem, I have thoroughly tested my stick. TM Warthog - stick was just greased this weekend with EM-30L Molycote as per this thread here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80787&highlight=warthog+grease Stick tested in Windows 7 using Joystick Calibration (everything centered) Stick to Center box tick-marked in DCS No futher modsKa-50 Trim test 1.trkKa-50 Trim test 2.trk
porky_pig Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 Even further testing revealed that the Huey does NOT have this particular trim glitch the Ka-50 has, nor have I successfully repeated the trim bug I have experienced from time to time. Maybe it was fixed in the previous update unknowingly because I havent experienced it in almost a week now. I will post a track immediately after it happens -if it happens again- next time. Here is the latest track - me testing the trim button with the stick purposefully uncentered immediately after trim. 100% of the time the stick was responsive immediately after my joystick was returned to center. 100% of the time my aircraft was unresponsive until after I returned my stick to center. Not once did I have to hit the trim reset button to regain control, unlike in the Ka-50. Again, nothing about my flying or my settings has changed.Huey Trim Test.trk
Devrim Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) I experienced trim issue in Huey (just a few minutes ago in MP mission) and Ka-50. In my opinion and observation; If you turn Central Position Trimmer Mode on, the problem is not to come back to really center after trimming. I mean if you set deadzone, it will be easy and faster to work controls again. Because DCS wants your cyclic to see center point first. Then allows you to continue to use controls. So, I don't use Central Position Trimmer Mode anymore. Edited May 27, 2013 by Devrim Intel i7-14700@5.6GHz | MSI RTX4080 SuperSuprimX | Corsair V. 64GB@6400MHz. | Samsung 1TB 990 PRO SSD (Win10Homex64) Samsung G5 32" + Samsung 18" + 2x8"TFT Displays | TM Warthog Stick w/AVA Base | VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle | TM MFD Cougars | Logitech G13, G230, G510, PZ55 & Farming Sim Panel | TIR5 & M.Quest3 VR >>MY MODS<< | Discord: Devrim#1068
Rangi Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Ok. Ill explain in depth one last time. Now here is a problem with unchecking the tick box for center trim. I cant start any mission without it ticked because then the aircraft becomes unstable (Huey) and will throw blades away instantly, or fall out of the sky after the mission loads. Startup on the deck is ok, but not when the engine is up and running when you load the mission. No, I dont fly online, no I dont want to fly online. Have you seen this thread to fix the blades flying off at start? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=106631 PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
porky_pig Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 I experienced trim issue in Huey (just a few minutes ago in MP mission) and Ka-50. In my opinion and observation; If you turn Central Position Trimmer Mode on, the problem is not to come back to really center after trimming. I mean if you set deadzone, it will be easy and faster to work controls again. Because DCS wants your cyclic to see center point first. Then allows you to continue to use controls. So, I don't use Central Position Trimmer Mode anymore. I can only replicate this problem in the Ka-50. In the Huey its different; the helicopter will fly at the last speed, heading, attidude and vertical speed until it hits terrain...then it will follow the terrain until the aircraft stick is responsive again, then explode. Kinda like this series of screenshots.
porky_pig Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) Have you seen this thread to fix the blades flying off at start? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=106631 No, but Im looking now, and I dont really see anything relevant to fixing that problem for myself. I will take a look in my settings though, see if there are other axises that are assigned to something that shouldnt be assigned to it. Edit: just looked, didnt see anything set incorrectly that would throw the blades immediately. I can have my throttle and collective pulled back to idle at the very beginning of the mission with the controller synced, and still toss blades. Its infuriating to say the least. Edited May 27, 2013 by porky_pig
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