Cali, thanks for posting those links, I am going to read through them. SUBS17, thanks I have had some success launching from high altitude, diving, going cold for seperation and repaeting. Ethereal, their altitude varies a bit but lets say they are at about 25k ft. I know 4 missles for nothing is a killer especially if I am carrying a couple of AIM-7s (no more amraam). I believe the tactics I am using will have to be altered based on payload as well.