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Read whole article: https://sldinfo.com/2015/10/shaping-a-new-combat-capability-for-21st-century-operations-the-coming-of-the-f-35b-to-the-new-british-carrier/ And think hard why Typhoon pilot, said for example this: So even if you dont see diference in sensor fusion levels... you should at last see diference in situational awareness and ability to share it.

Yes, this is what I ment by REFINE part of my post. Sorry not to be clear. Just trying to show you the difference in capabilities.

Yes, almost all of pilot experiences come from comparing F-35 vs US legacy jets, but there are lots from pilots flying SH, F-22. And there are Typhoon and Rafale pilots training with F-35 and F-22 and already told us about their experiences. My quotes above are from RAF pilot flying Typhoon. And you can easily found lots more... F-35 have significant advantages in situational awareness even over Rafale or Typhoon (if nothing, have better sensors). Slide is not wrong. Differences are: in Rafale, Typhoon, SH, etc sensor will determine track, share it, system will task other sensor where too look to help refine track + uses tracks from datalinks. System then decide what is real track. Big advantage over legacy systems lowering pilot workload. F-35/F-22 raw data from sensors going in the fusion engine, so its done on much lower level and its more difficult to implement and there was real problem in the past with this... . But output is more precise. Fusion engine have access to threat libraries, which is on of them most costly thing in the jet. Most of the advanced functions of DAS for example will newer work without fusion engine. fusion engine also receive precise tracks from other F-35 trough MADL (also very difficult to make it work). Almost all software problems and delays are related to sensor fusion and threat libraries databases and then alis, which is separated issue. So its not same... its not same even with F-22. But in the end, you get fleet of jets with good ISR and networking capabilities to enhance not just own fleet, but whole force and your allies.

They have different level of sensor fusion- page 4-6 IRL there is big diference in situational awareness, which is shared with others. Stealth enhances other capabilities, its not primary and only diference between eurocanards. Weapons system as whole, there is wast difference in capabilities and gap only gets bigger... F-35 will change how airforces and alied forces as a whole will operate in future. Yes Europe should, problem is, there is no united Europe and FR and Germany should start developing decade ago, when they have chance at last get other states aboard with tornado replacement. So today they can only hope to have 6gen aircraft for Rafale/Typhoon replacement...

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well explain then how f22 dominate every other fighter? how come f35 dominate same way with lesser kinematics? if you are right, then magic called spike management work perfectly.... and this make stealth working for them.

there are plenty stories from pilots, when they reveal litle bit more. and there are plenty stories from ground personal too. and since you choose dont read my link, here is short example what pilots can say: While a lot of missions are conducted with the JOTT partners, the Dutch F-35s periodically fly with the 148th Fighter Squadron ‘Kickin’ a$$’, the RNLAF’s F-16 training unit in Tucson, Arizona, to evaluate and validate new tactics. ‘The first time we got to test all these advanced capabilities to their fullest potential was about a year ago, with and against our F-16s in Tucson,’ says Knight. ‘The initial scenario was that our two F-35s would escort a four-ship of F-16s across a notional border and protect them against another eight-ship of F-16s simulating a modern adversary. A relatively inexperienced flight leader was in charge of the F-16s on our side and Lt Col Joost ‘Niki’ Luijsterburg, the Tucson detachment commander, was responsible for the adversaries. Up to this point we had only practised these scenarios in the simulators and while we had a decent game-plan, we were all anxious to see how the F-35 would perform in real life. We figured that the F-35’s stealth would keep us out of harm’s way for most of the fight, but that we also need to protect the friendly F-16s, maximize the lethality of their missiles and get them to the target. To make this happen, we planned to initially use electronic attack against the adversary F-16s, see if we could avoid having them detect friendly fighters and datalink the location of the hostile aircraft to our F-16s. This way we could use the F-16s on our side to shoot down the initial wave of enemy fighters and keep our own missiles available once the ‘Blue Air’ F-16s had to focus on their target attack. The plan worked flawlessly. ‘In the debrief ‘Niki’ told us it was one of the most memorable sorties he had ever flown. Having previously worked in the F-35 program office he was elated to find out how effective the F-35 was, but at the same time he was frustrated by not getting a single shot off the rail against us, while getting killed multiple times. After that sortie it really hit us that the F-35 was going to make a big difference in how we operate fighters and other assets in the Royal Netherlands Air Force.’

of course pilots can speak about unclasified things and their experience with jets freely.... in the past, they speak about 2gen helmet, 3i limitations, missed sorties due to software bugs, and lots of the other things... So you can compare op article vs this article about dutch pilots... http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=26975

Aviation Week Editors Jen DiMascio, Lara Seligman and Graham Warwick talk with Marine Lt. Col. David Berke. The team at Aviation Week has reported on the F-35 program for years from a programmatic and technical perspective. But Berke, who has flown the F-22, the F-35 and the F-18, tells them why the F-35 is a superior aircraft. http://aviationweek.com/defense/podcast-view-cockpit-what-f-35-can-do

Well how the hell USA did/do CAS when A-10 and Harriers arent available, rotate out and they only have bombers, drones and fast movers? And its really USN out of CAS business? And what about rest of the NATO? In my opinion: In Vietnam almost every airplane can do CAS, today everybody have some capability to perform CAS, some have more options, some do it differently, but they do. When bombers and A-10 can provide CAS from altitude (this is what C upgrade is for), rest of the aircraft can too. When drones can target militants in buildings and get hellfire trough window... from altitude, rest can do it too... its about sensors, smart weapons, network, not one platform with big gun... A-10C can a will do CAS well, with some upgrades and new weapons even better, but dot say rest of the platforms cant do this mission, in many instances they will be even better in CAS that A-10.

Hummingbird: Range: Gilmore in his idiotic comparison sad at 250nm A-10 can loiter 90min. F-35B only 20-30min. So lighter F-35A will have 2,3t of extra fuel for loiter.... like Sweep sad, F-35A have very very long range and endurance on internal fuel only. Anyway, USAF will always have tankers, so its irrelevant who got little extra time on station. Gun: its last used method of CAS these days... you cant use it effectively in urban environment, you cant kill anybody competent in environment with little cover. Even if you can catch enemy in open, gun cant kill to many of them, they will have to much time to spread and take cover before A-10 gets to attack position.. .. one JDAM or CBU will obliterace them or at las take them out of combat... Purpose of gun in CAS is suppress and shock enemy... not to kill them. Same is done with high speed low passes and some flares. Gun is good on columns of fuel truck with zero resistance and plenty of time, or will be good on CSAR, but its not essential weapon and can be easily replaced with APWKS or Hellfire, Griffin... Weather: F-35 actually have sensors to see trough weather (theirs SAR maps is much better that you assume) and target something unlike A-10. F-35 also can fly slower that A-10... But why... JTAC + JDAM from 20 000ft, F-35 can fight when visibility is zero... SDB: 2x4 internally and 4x4 externally, theoretically you can load more heavy bombs on F-35A that on mudhen, but nobody will use it operationally. ----------- Like I sad before, even if A-10 is ultimate 1000% better CAS platform, they will be deployed in small numbers which mean majority of CAS mission must be done with something else anyway... so this isnt about F-35 replacing A-10 but about overblown reputation A-10 have.... Some people actualy thing only A-10 can do CAS and without it grunts will die... In real world A-10 was forced to operate like fast movers, because they cant survive in low alt when somebody actually shoot at them. And USAF replaced A-10 with something else very long time ago... with smart bombs. Best part of A-10s are pilots- their training for only one mission... -------------- Drones Do Excellent Urban Close Air Support; Mideast F-35A Deployment In Several Years http://breakingdefense.com/2017/02/drones-do-excellent-urban-close-air-support-mideast-f-35a-deployment-in-several-years/

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2017/March/Pages/F35vsA10FlyoffPosesMoreQuestions.aspx Twenty-three highly experienced CAS, CSAR and FAC-A pilots who flew the A-10, F/A-18 and AV-8B, and who are now flying the F-35 were interviewed to compare their fourth-generation jets with the faculties of the F-35. The results of those conversations were decidedly mixed. All 23 pilots picked the F-35 over their previous fighter for CAS missions in a high-threat environment. However, more than half picked their fourth-generation jets over the F-35 for CAS in low-threat situations. Those preferring their previous jet over the Lightning II cited current software and hardware limitations that do not allow targeting and employment options available to them in their previous jets. For example they mentioned hands-on switching between electro-optical and infrared sensors. _______ this isnt about a10 magic gun and armor vs f35, but about cult of the gun fanatics and mc cain and mc sally political agendas.... for very long time, cas will be provided with legacy platforms and dromes rather that f35 which will have more important roles like interdiction or recon. a10 alwas did small number of cas mission (and most of the time droping pgm like others) small deployed numbers cant be everywhere... other platforms will be always doing majority of cas. so its more important to make specialized munitions which everyone can carry rather that specialized platform, which cant be everywhere anyway.

Yes all 7 losses were in WVR enviroment, but this mean they are not detecting them on radar. There is very long way from WVR to traditional dogfight. I doubt any lucky aggressor which saw F-35 visually wasting any time before he fire everything he have before somebody else have chance to kill him.... This was very large exercise, 9 F-35, at last six F-22, six Eurofighters and many more assets on blue side... on most missions. Reds have around twenty fighters and every one can regenerate three times. In debriefing video they sad there were too many advanced red air so they get to them by sheer numbers alone... We also know at last one F-35 get shot down by respan bug - Aggressor regenerated near F-35. Aggressors also dont suffer from morale loss (from own loses) and didnt fear do be killed. So they can push it far more that real enemy ever will.

Red Flag Debrief Jan-Feb 2017 USAF, RAAF & RAF Participants cca 16:00 Some threats to make it trough by sheer numbers and advanced missiles they shooting at us so we have one or two losses so far (in the middle of Red Flag) F-35A have 3i config so only 2 bombs and 2 missiles, no gun. There is no way anyone can sneak to F-35 in WVR (too many other assets providing SA) and I doubt there was place for any dogfights with with F-35 ... Dont forget F-35A have AG role and have fighters covering it, like F-22 and Typhoons. I assume whole blue force must shot down around 1000 aggressors in 19day exercise. Raptors must have very big score... Anyway F-35A/C dont have problem with cockpit visibility. Hanche stressed that he was still able to maintain visual contact with his opponent during aggressive maneuvering, and the cockpit’s visual limitation is not “a genuine problem with the F-35.”