Whippler

no it does not have that.

at least Saitek product page doesn't inform about 2-stage trigger, haven't seen anybady saying it is 2 stage, i suppose it's just one stage trigger.

great to hear, also the dual trigger on The Hog is great, stabilizes the cannon. altough it could be mapped on x65f just fine on one of the buttons in throttle to stabilase and the fire whit trigger, could work as good.

possibly getting the x65-f, how well is it build(bad experience whit Saitek), how well is it constructed, all the switches and buttons are firmly in their places? Got the cyborg X cheap ass stick, one button from the stick head fell of whit in a few weeks, glued it back whit some ballpointpen spring in. -Whipe

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got the price for the Hog, 369,90€, and x65f is 387,90€. i don't have rudders and the hog is missing twist rudder. The price for hog tells me to buy it(assumed it would be 400+€). Need to think some more. is there any other way (that works) to control rudder? -Whipe

yeah, time will show.

now I got Saitek cyborg X stick, hapens to be piece of crap, going to get TM hog or the x65f HOTAS, what should i get, going to mainly play DCS A-10C, also some blackshark. Got also IL-2. Both the x65 and Hog sticks are pretty much the same on button layouts, except the Release button is in different place, the only meaning difference is the Force sensing on the saitek stick, i am quite thrilled about it, it's "hightech" and seems amazing and i would like to own one. Saitek throttle also looks cool and i like it, but i have read it's quite stiff, but can be made more slidier. the trhottle levers got lots of buttons (more than the Hog throttle, on actual levers). Hog off->idle systems might be great and feel real realistic and i would like that but the actual levelers don't look that nice (maybe i should see it live). On the thorttle base we got the hole section of a-10c buttons but they can be clicked on cockpit also so they are not that important (i am not going to build pit) This is pretty much Force sens. VS. moving stick and ion my opinion also sleek and nice lookin throttle VS. off->idle system. i have been wondering what to get, don't know the Hog hotas price here yet (Finland), but the x65 is for 380€. -Whipe

got the game, ordered trackIR5 and getting a HOTAS, not sure what, the TM Warthog is coming, havent seen it yet, and don't know finnish/european price for it yet, or i might get Saitek x65-f but not really sure about the force sens stick, any comments on that?, Already ordered the x65-f for 380€ but it takes 4-8 weeks to come, and order can be canceled. So what should i get, the TM warghog or saitek x65-f. the buttonary (what the hell word is this, nevermind) on the two sticks is pretty much the same. the throttle off-> idle thing on TM stick seems interesting, does it acutally work whit a-10 (probably yes, but still asking confirmation :) ). not that interested in the TM throttle bay buttonary, they can be clicked in the cockpit. and the saitek throttle has more stuff in the actual throttle handles. in the other hand, i don't have any need for those extra buttons, both sticks looks fantastic. I am new on the forums, but i have played IL-2 and DCS blackshark, so im not new on flightsims. Got saitek cyborg X stick ATM, huge failure -Whipe