AndrewDCS2005

@Sancte_Michael thats cool! your ownship 50kft@M1.75 is a differentiator - missile covered 50nm after 100s of mid-battery life (vs 47nm in my best attempt). Great avatar for the topic and great hit for first post Assuming you are coming back to forum after many years of DCS?

Also can't reproduce detection of tightly packed Mig-31s at more than 100nm. Have 64 Mig-31s going M2.8 at 42kft ASL, but no radar returns on DDD until about 100nm.

I think I've got the maximum feasible DCS AIM-54C-Mk47 hit after launch from 154nm distance to target (Tu-22M3 with 25% fuel going M1.88 at 40kft ASL). Ownship F-14B with 25% fuel going M2.05 at 41kft ASL. Phoenix flew for 3m 22s which is 2s more than its modelled battery life but still fused AIM-54C-Mk47-154nm-kill.trk AIM-54C-Mk47-154nm-kill.acmi

@Panny woah this would be amazing if replicated. This still matches the conditions I posted, so will definitely try it out. @Ivandrov will try few more times though at this point it is really just a second or two of launch window to max out the missile flight time before battery goes dead - my longer shots are always few sec late.

Thanks @Ivandrov! Indeed, the fastest I can get Tu-22M3 in DCS is Mach 1.88 at 40kft ASL (with 25% fuel and QNH 29.92, my earlier attempts had 100% fuel and lower pressure). Your shot shows 147.67nm - did Phoenix hit? Can you please share the track? My best attempt now is 143.8nm with AIM-54C-Mk47 which flew for 198s just 2s short of dead battery. AIM-54C-Mk47-144nm-kill.trk

Good discussion about real-world scenarios of USSR bomber run on USA CVBG and Tomcat mission and tactics. Putting this aside for a moment to find the limits of DCS F-14+AIM54 implementation, had to run a bit of math. Assuming both target and ownship alt = 35kft ASL and speed = Mach 2 (593 m/s) and knowing that Phoenix battery dies after 200s (when it covers approximately 86nm ground distance with these launch parameters), the max theoretical range would be = 593 * 200 / 1852 = 64 nm + 86 nm = 150 nm. However, turns out there is no suitable target in vanilla DCS (without mods) which combines large RCS to be detected > 150nm, and high speed to maintain Mach 2 at high altitude. Large bombers with high RCS are slow (B-1, Tu-160, Tu-22) and fast fighters with medium RCS (Mig-31, F-14) are detected by AWG-9 at much closer range. The fastest and largest target is Tu-22M3 with Mach 1.77 speed. In 200s it travels 56.7nm which puts max theoretical range at 86 + 56.7 = 142.7 nm Subtracting half-second for missile to be still on battery power at hit time, the max possible range for AIM-54 hit would be about 142 nm

@Ivandrov cool stuff, thanks for hints! After few tests I've got a kill on Tu-22M3 incoming at M1.8, from F-14B at M1.9 both 35kft ASL, launched AIM-54C-Mk60 from 139.8nm Missile flew for 3m 15s before hit, which is just 5s short of its battery life at 200s, and covered 84nm ground distance. You've mentioned hit under 150nm - can you share the track please? My attempts to shoot at a bit longer distance end up with missile battery dead within 2-3s before potential hit, and timing a shot for few sec later brings the distance under 140nm.null AIM-54C-Mk60-140nm-kill.trk

A bit surprising there are no responses - I was thinking longer shots are feasible with Phoenix and expected to see some advanced techniques. Will try a bit more myself.

There are definitely proficient pilots and RIOs here who mastered AN/AWG-9 and kinetics of AIM-54, so I thought of a small offline competition - show your longest air-to-air hit with a Phoenix Let's measure it as a straight-line distance to the aerial target at the moment of missile separation, and the missile has to hit the same target. Otherwise no additional limits and conditions for target, launch parameters, weather, etc. My best result so far: 114nm. Used AIM-54C-Mk60, Locked Tu-160 at 117.5nm, launched at 114nm, Phoenix climbed to 120kft ASL at Mach 2.75 and killed the target. Track attached (Caucasus map for simplicity of viewing). AIM-54C-Mk60-114nm-kill.trk

Yeah that response totally missed the point. Who needs all this hipster crap - TNDL, TWS, multi-target missile BVR. Go visual guns only, Boyd will approve No need to split the hair though - current DCS F-16 implementation of TWS+TNDL symbology does not meet its own DCS F-16 documentation. Bignewy already said "this is intended to be addressed along with the corresponding DTC feature." so lets wait for few more years (this thread is few weeks short of 2yo).

Looks like South Atlantic map is busted after update 2.9.20.15010 - many bugs noticed just in single view, most obviously the shore elevation seen under water. Normally I enjoy SA map a lot and use it for joyrides, but this update is not looking good at all. -camera -11.177412 10.168995 -966.032979 -cameradir 0.174002 -0.125379 -0.976731

Yep IRIS-T SLM C2 takes ~100 20mm for a kill (launcher and radar are ok). I might continue gradually testing various A2G weapons against all new assets, will let you know if anything. Using this opportunity - thanks again for your work and enriching the DCS world! Had a nice visual experience at dawn flying past Iskander takeoff and the contrail lighted by rising sun, it was cool!

Great, thank you a lot for quick response and fixing this!

9K720 Iskander (both loaded and empty after missiles launch) damage model has an issue. 100+ direct hits of PGU-28 SAPHEI ammo do not even scratch it. Track attached. Comparable assets like Scud/Smerch/Uragan are killed with 10-30 hits. 9K720-iskander-damage-model-issue.trk