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True, but that's where I see the issue with this reasoning. I know DCS is rendering a massive map...but if the game was that taxing then shouldn't that naturally reflect in the performance? GTA 4 although not as big definitely runs a lot worse than A-10 does. Maxed out at 2048x1536 I'm seeing about 45 frames a second on average with A-10...GTA 4 is running around 30 frames and this is understandably so. So if A-10 is running @ 45fps and its completely smooth with no issues then that tells me that A-10 isn't really THAT taxing all things considered. Here is what I posted in another thread on [H]ard|Forum (ignore the snippy tone...people in the thread are being quite know it all-ish :p):

I HIGHLY doubt that...have you ever seen GTA 4 maxed out with mods? Talking car models better than any racing game, more people and vehicles on screen than any game ever, HD textures, full ENB enabled (ambient occlusion, HDR, indirect lighting, etc), etc. There is NO game more taxing than my modded GTA 4. I simply don't think it's possible. Yes A-10 is a beast game, but I have ZERO issues running it. I'm running a 2k resolution with all settings maxed out and the game runs perfectly with no slowdown or anything. So unless I'm running some uber game and my PC magically can run this super duper high end game fine than I don't think A-10 is as resource heavy as YOU believe it is. Here's what my GTA 4 looks like...does A-10 look anywhere near as graphically intense as this: Didn't think so. Plus, if A-10 was pushing the actual GPU that hard to produce temps that high then there is no way I would be pushing 45+ FPS at max settings. I play plenty of games that not only look better but run slower than A-10 that don't bring my temps ANYWHERE near as high.

Ehhh...thanks for the feedback, but I'm seriously wanting to just add a spring at this point. If I could get rid of the motors all together that would be perfect! :D It's all good though...I'm definitely doing my own research over here...seems like my general idea is easily accomplished IF I could just find the right sized spring. I've found a couple but they are either too long or the wire is too thick which would make the spring way too stiff. Oh well, I'll get there eventually! EDIT: Does anyone here know if the motors themselves can actually be removed? If I can find a proper spring I will use the system unpowered (as in no power cord) to keep the motors from interfering AT ALL and would like to reduce wear on the plastic gears and motors since I won't be using them. Looking at pics of the inside of the stick I can't see any potentiometers or anything...is the sticks position relayed through the motors? Potentiometers? Magnetic sensors?

Ah good catch! Unfortunately I do not. I have the fans and pump being powered directly by molex connectors. I learned long ago to not rely on software profiles or any fan controller unless its an actual hardware one. So for the time being my fans and pumps are running full speed no matter the program or game running (save for the 120mm next to the GPU, that has a speed switch on it and is set to medium). Either way, good looking out! If any of my issues were of normal or even abnormal causes you definitely would have uncovered them by now. :thumbup: As to the actual unsolved problem I've just given up. Like I've said multiple times everything is properly cooled, everything is working fine, no other games or programs reach anywhere near 85C (oh, including FSX AND Blackshark by the way both on max settings...)...so only thing I can conclude which I don't feel like messing with is a driver issue. I remember playing A-10 a while back before I went water cooled with the same GPU and I think it reached like 80C on air cooling with the fan manually set to like 60-70%...something that doesn't cool my GPU anywhere near what the water cooler does. Well, sure the water cooler is up there in comparison, but its a small ass case and even though cooling may not be EXCELLENT...it sure as hell is MUCH quieter! Because of that alone you can see where my worries have substance. However, yet again, 85C is well under the GTX 580 max thresh hold so I don't really have to worry about it, technically speaking of course. My next move is to buy new fans though! I can tell you that much!

The GPU components are being cooled. The components on the GPU have their own heatsinks and I have a 120mm fan blowing right on them (you can see it inside the case on the 3rd picture). Believe me, I'm a hardcore PC geek...I know how to cool stuff off...that's why I went with these water coolers to begin with. And yes I know they're made for CPU's but I am FAR from the first person to do this (the bracket holding the water block on the GPU is custom made by a member on another forum specifically for this task - see pic #1) and they have worked beautifully for everyone else that has done it...myself included...excluding A-10 of course.

OK...I ran the exact same thing in BF3. 2048x1536, 4xAA, MAX everything and my GPU reached 73C. No more no less. So, I can conclude with everything I've seen that mid-70's is the thermal limit of my GPU given any circumstances. Except A-10. Plus, as I've mentioned before, if I'm hitting 85C in A-10 there's no way it isn't burning up other peoples GPU. I mean, I'm water cooled. If I reach 85C under water I wouldn't even WANT to know what I'd get on air! 95C+?! Hmmm...this is most definitely an odd ordeal. My water cooling isn't quite as efficient as others because I'm working with ITX and a single fan for each radiator. So...you can see what cooling wouldn't QUITE be as efficient as a full sized rig with multiple fans and what not.

Nah, overclock and voltage is fine. Don't mean to be rude or anything...but I think you are missing the point here. Far Cry 3 pushes my GPU more (temp wise) than ANY game I've ever played. More than Metro, more than BF3, more than Crysis, etc. Far Cry 3 maxes my GPU at 70-71C. FurMark, OCCT, and Kombuster max my GPU at 72C average with a few spikes to 73C. This is at, of course, 100% load. So all the evidence points to the fact the Kuhler 620 that I have cooling my GPU is WAYYY efficient enough in every instance in that it has NO problem cooling my GPU what so ever. It is MORE than enough. We can also conclude that under any given circumstance ~70C is the max temp my GPU should put out as proven by games and stress testing. This is true of any PC component. If I am stress testing my CPU, say, with Linpack and after 24 hours of complete 100% usage my CPU doesn't go over 65C for instance, then there is NOTHING that should be able to push my CPU to 75C. Linpack has pushed the CPU to its ultimate temperature. So, that is my problem with A-10. If max temperature with EVERYTHING else out there is roughly 70C then there is NO reason why A-10 should be pushing my GPU anywhere near 85C. It just shouldn't be possible. That is unless ALL my GPU stress testers and all my games somehow AREN'T pushing my GPU to 100%...which simply isn't the case. So A-10 is the only program that pushes my GPU past its otherwise normal max temps. So something is wrong with A-10 and/or the drivers I'm using. EDIT: Just wanted to add that for the time being I am playing EMPTY maps...no A.I. enemies or allies. Just trying to get a feel for the Warthog and it's systems. So I don't really see anything in particular PUSHING my GPU let alone my entire system anywhere near the max.

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Are you 580's water cooled? What are your ambient temps? Mine hovers around 35C 0% usage and reaches ~70C max in any game...even BF3 at 2048x1536 with 4xAA max settings I reach around 65C normally when gaming...not even 70C. Far Cry gets to 70C and that's the highest I've seen any game ever get.

I understand that...my question is WHY is A-10 pushing my GPU to 85C in the first place? It is no more a challenge to run than any other game I play regularly that never push my GPU to these temps. You have to understand that it's water cooled. 85C should be impossible unless my GPU is doing some SERIOUS work (like folding 24/7...which even then that's a stretch), which it isn't or the mounting/hardware is faulty somewhere which it isn't. EtherealN said his 560 hits 65C max...and his is AIR COOLED. My 580 is under water and is hitting 85C. Granted these are different cards and different TDP's and what not but the point still remains. Yes, 85C is safe. I know that. However, again, it shouldn't be hitting 85C. Considering the cooling that shouldn't even be possible all things considered. I'm thinking it's either a driver bug or a problem with the game itself. Also been running MSI Kombuster since my last post and the temperatures it shows as max...ABSOLUTE MAX AT 100% USAGE...is 72C. That's the hottest I've seen it ever. Well, that is if I take A-10 out of the picture that ran 13C higher than GPU stress test. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.........

After some testing and toying with other games the MAX my GPU gets in any other game is Far Cry 3...and even then it only touches 70C...average was about 68C. So it's definitely something with A-10. I mean, hardware is fine. Cooler is fine. Fans are fine. CPU shows no signs of abnormal temperatures. Something about the game or maybe the drivers is causing my GPU to spike up like this. Running the most current version too. My worry is with other peoples GPU's. If mine, being water cooled, is reaching the mid 80's there's no way someone who might be having the same problems can handle these temps on air. I'm putting this as an issue with A-10 wholly. Something isn't right here. No way should any game push my GPU to these temperatures. No way.

OK...I have a GTX 580 @ 900mhz. Have it water cooled using a Kuhler 620 with a single 120mm fan (pull - case is ITX, not a lot of room). Normally when gaming, even hard core games like Far Cry 3, ARMA 2, etc max settings I MIGHT see 65C. Sitting here playing A-10 for about an hour and noticed my GPU is 85C!!! 85 DEGREES CELSIUS!!! WTF?!?! Game is maxed (no AA) @ 2048x1536 and runs like a champ but DAMN is it heating up my GPU. Remember too, this is WATER COOLED, granted it isn't the best cooling out there but come on! I don't even see how a stock fan/heatsink could even handle this game! Is something wrong with the game or is it just THAT demanding? Certainly doesn't seem so as I'm having zero issues running it. Just worrying is all...:noexpression: I never hit 85C with the stock cooler...let alone my Kulher 620!

Toying with the idea of adding a physical spring to my G940. Has anyone tried this? I have to admit that as much as I like the look and feel of the stick I can't get over the center "slop" or the motors grinding in the corner areas of the stick. Everything about it just feels unnatural. The system over all is very nice, especially for the price, but I'm just not liking the stick all that much after using it for a little while. Can't get use to the motors acting as a spring instead of an actual one (also considering the fact that it works half-assed anyways). In fact, I'd rather not use force feedback at all. Looking at springs like this: Has anyone tried this before? Are there simply fixes for the slop and inaccurate movement in the corners? Just a thought at this point but something I'm SERIOUSLY considering. If I could get rid of FFB all together and just have an old school style spring stick then the G940 would be PERFECT! EDIT: Oh! Welcome me to the forums! :pilotfly: