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Here, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Speicher If you read carefully from the beginning you'll see that it's mentioned that the 100% player/pilot death issue happens when the aircraft is destroyed or if you will, goes totally out of control (with too much damage like losing wings). Or course when the aircraft gets hit in a way that the F/A-18 isn't destroyed but damaged and still controllable - which is extremely rare by way, when hit by missiles - that the pilot won't die, don't you think?

Thanks @BIGNEWY

If that's the case then why do we have a survival rate of 100% in the Mig-29 while in the F/A-18 is 0% when both the Mig-29 and F/A-18 are similarly sized? Actually that's the reason why I compared the F/A-18 with the Mig-29 and not with the F-15C or Su-27 which while having similar survival results as the Mig-29 are much bigger aircraft than both the F/A-18 and Mig-29.

That's not entirely correct or at least not the way to do a proper analysis. The shot down during ODS was the one where a F/A-18 was shot down by a Mig-25. During this event when the F/A-18 was shot down, it got hit by a large and powerful AA-6 (R-40) missile and the pilot actually survived the missile impact and managed to eject. It was only somewhere after the pilot reached the ground that he died and it's not know if he died from injuries or because of the elements (desert can be very cold during night which was the case) or due to both reasons which we don't know and will probably never know. But what is known is that the pilot survived the missile impact and successfully ejected. In the second situation this one during OIF, the F/A-18 was shot down by a Patriot (friendly fire) which is an extremely deadly missile where for example and also during OIF a Patriot also shot down a Tornado (also friendly fire) and both crewmen also died. So and regarding the F/A-18 it's actually 50% of the two only cases/samples. Moreover and during ODS, F/A-18s took direct hits from surface-to-air missiles and survived, something which is impossible with DCS F/A-18C. Source: https://www.military.com/equipment/f-18c-d-hornet

Oh and BTW, I just want to add the following to @BIGNEWY or any other ED member/dev: I'm willing and available to have a videocall with any ED member/developer in order to show what's happening here with the Hornet in whichever chat platform desired. Or alternatively, if you can provide me a contact of another ED member that I could present this issue such as Wags, I would also appreciate. I'm saying this because and again, I'm 100% sure about what I'm talking about here, which is not that often! (and of course, I paid for the module)

From what I'm seeing and testing, the missile will kill always kill the Hornet pilot independently of the angle that it impacts the Hornet. That's why my tests that I shared in this thread always involve the enemy aircraft shooting a heat seeking missile from exactly from behind and without me (player) doing any type of evasive maneuver (just flying straight), so that a rear missile impact is always ensured. But and independently of the reason (hit boxes or other) there's clearly a problem with the Hornet and that's why and like you, I don't play it in campaigns and only do one or two occasional missions with the Hornet, usually quick missions and all of them without using my main pilot profile (I have one created just to fly in the Hornet and "die" in it everytime I get hit by a missile). Actually I would like to watch the hit boxes of the Hornet compared with the Mig-29. BTW, I keep comparing the Hornet with the Mig-29 as their sizes and therefore pilot survivability should be very similar. The Su-27 and F-15C like the Mig-29 also don't have this problem but are quite or even much bigger aircraft and so it makes sense to compare the Hornet with the Mig-29 instead.

Thanks for both your replies @Lt.Turbo and @GeoS72! I fully agree with you assessments and if the values surrounding the Hornet pilot survivability are to be correct then they are clearly wrong! Moreover, I echo @GeoS72 words that's it's odd that the ED team considers the Hornet pilot values "correct" when in fact the chances of survivability of the Mig-29 pilot are much, much and much superior compared to the Hornet. All of this while in reality the likehood of a Hornet pilot surviving and ejecting after a missile impact shouldn't be any lower compared to a Mig-29 pilot. But currently in DCS, this is clearly the case!

@GeoS72, I'm not trying do any personal attacks here. Maybe I'm showing a bit of frustration which results in @BIGNEWY's constant reply of "I tested and everything is ok" which is clearly not the case as this is something that can be reproduced 100% and there's still no one else that concurs with Bignewy's "everything is ok" assessment. Actually 100% of all other users here reported the same that you and I are reporting here. This has little to nothing to do with the monumental task of supporting DCS. By the way, I also worked as IT support, supporting the software that the company develops and sells and if I replied to customers when they are all reporting the same issue/bug with Bignewy's "I tested and everything is ok" type of response, this in face of all and every costumer reports with evidence then I would have been fired on the spot! I also must remember that I paid for the DCS modules that I own, including the F/A-18 which is one of the most expensive that I own and as such I believe I'm entitled to not being satisfied with a simple "I tested and everything is ok" reply without any further evidence - for example no several tracks of the "I tested and everything is ok" were shown - and being left without any further support about the issue. And if you look at my post history, I rarely post/report issues here. I'm reporting this because I'm 100% sure (not even 99%, it's 100% all in!) about what I'm seeing here and I can reproduce this bug/issue 100% of the times (as well as you) which is quite rare with complex software suites like this. But yes, I agree to keep this in track in the hope that this eventually gets solved!

@GeoS72 and @Racoon-1-1, I'm experiencing this issue in single player (I always play single player) and I don't use VR. My framerates are good and even more so since most of my tests involve 1 versus 1 "F/A-18 versus Mig-29" or "Mig-29 versus Mig-29" without any other added objects. I also want to tank @GeoS72 for your extensive tests and examples. I concur with them and that's basically what I've been experiencing! @BIGNEWY Don't get me wrong but it's not ok! Are you ignoring all the posters here? Are you going to continue to ignore the FACT that there's simply NO-ONE else here - namely from the PLAYER crowd - that concurs with you?

Thanks for the feedback, @ruxtmp! That's exactly what I'm experiencing here! This only diference is that I don't own F-16, AV-8B and F-14. But the rest is the same. With F-15C, Mig-29, Su-27, A-10C I can always survive the scenario that I previously set. With the F/A-18, I can't survive any single time! And yes, I'm flying/experiencing this in Single Player. Don't know if this makes a diference but I don't play in multiplayer. It's simply impossible that no-one on the dev part notices this. This is one of perhaps few issues that I found in any computer game which I (and not only, it seems) can reproduce it 100% of the times!

After an hiatus from playing DCS and therefore after a few new updates, the issue that I reported here still persists! Moreover, I see that at least another user reports the same. Are you (from ED) going to continue to ignore this issue? Do you continue to say that there isn't any diference in pilot survivability after being hit by a missile between the F/A-18 (pilot always dies!) and the Mig-29 (pilot almost always survives)? Please, fix this issue.

@Smashy, I agree! I also noticed what your described in missions such as the "8 vs 8 BVR" quick engagement scenario that comes with DCS F/A-18. Often when I open the F10 map, I see that for each shot down (AI) Mig-29 or Su-27 there's often a corresponding ejecting pilot but when it comes to each AI F/A-18 shot down there's rarely or almost never an ejecting pilot. And of course, when I'm (the player) shot down by an enemy missile, I always die has well in that same scenario! Thanks for your feedback!

Ok, one more attempt: I recorded tracks of 10 attempts in a row with the F/A-18, always being hit from behind by a AA-11 and again and without surprise the pilot always died! I recorded tracks of 10 attempts in a row with the Mig-29, always being hit from behind by a AA-11 and again and without surprise the pilot always survived! I attach here in this post the 10 tracks from each aircraft (20 in total) together with the respective log files, compacted in two (2) .zip files. And I hope that this finally shows and proves without any possible doubt what I've been saying here even because it took me quite some time to perform these tests and put the files together! And again, this not a normal or expected behaviour! Not even by a long shot! F18_pilot_Always_Dies_when_hit_even_from_behind_10_tries.zip Mig29_pilot_Always_Survives_when_hit_even_from_behind_10_tries.zip

I could continue to add tracks but they would be exactly the same and like I said, this is something that happens me 100% of the times (it's not even 99%)! If you change the parameters of my tests then it's possible that some end results may present themselves differently but even then I'm astonished how you can claim that you don't see any different survival rate with the F/A-18 compared with other aircraft like for example the Mig-29. This is clearly not the case as other users also reported the same here. Anyway, I just showed you examples that CLEALY proves my post: - AA-11 hitting a F/A-18 from behind -> Pilot always dies! - AA-11 hitting a Mig-29 from behind -> Pilot always survives! This is NOT "normal behaviour" no matter what you may say! I don't know what else I must do because I proved this here and did it with a 100% certainty.

I guess it's now my turn to say "sorry". Sorry but that scenario you're playing is not mine or at least it's a modification of my scenario and/or its conditions! 1- For instance the F/A-18 in my scenario is Ukrainian (nation and paint) and in your case is US. Not that this by itself matters by any way but it shows that's not my scenario (or if it was then it was edited/tampered with). By the way, I also edited the scenario by having a US F/A-18 (instead of Ukrainian F/A-18) but and as expected the results were exactly the same as I always had (pilot always dies after being hit by enemy TRAILING missile) providing that everything else continued the same. 2- Another indication is that your F/A-18 is basically going away from Batumi. In my scenario and the condition that I urged you to replicate with the F/A-18 (as well as with the Mig-29), the plane is going directly towards Batumi! So either you performed evasive maneuvers in order try to avoid the enemy missile or the scenario was edited/tampered with for example planes starting from different positions and/or "god knows" what other type of editing/changes were made? Anyway, this clearly shows that there were considerable changes of my testing conditions. And I really wonder why you seem to "refuse" to play the scenario the exact same way with the exact same conditions that I reported?! Honestly, this is frustrating because this is not a matter of happening to me or reproducing "sometimes". It actually happens to me ALL THE TIMES, with no exception! It's not even "only" 90% of the times that I get killed, it's 100% of all times, as you can see in the track and log that I sent you in my last post! And don't get me wrong but I'm starting to feel like that this is another "AMRAAM issue" which for some odd reasons took you like 10 years to acknowledge plus something like 5 years more to actually improved it!