Norcat

Yes - that why code it to allow control from instructor. Else Discord can simply show a cockpit. When I taught flying being in the airplane was a huge bonus jk In the end I don’t think this will end up anywhere - great idea to share/control the cockpit with an instructor though. Till then I’ll use current 2 seat front line AC for stuff.

Dawger had a great idea to make this kinda work without needing Dual seaters / please take a look at the last two posts. Just ideas - perhaps easier to implement across all aircraft. Long range idea only - kinda cool though I’ll leave it there Thanks Bignewy

Second cockpit is more immersive but shared works too. As long as you can stay instructor pilot and say “I have the aircraft,” “you have the aircraft.” Both guy can fly. Sorta like Heatblur’s F4 / both sticks are live but ur both in the same seat. That would be a really cool feature for instruction. Shared cockpit in a single seater. That’s a pretty sweet idea. Therefore instruct in any aircraft and take any pilot up for a ride. Love that idea Dawger

No worries!!! Thank you for the message Bignewy. Discord Screen Share work around for now then. Looking forward to all your other stuff coming up.

Disregard my OG post- it’s not planned by ED as noted in the pinned comment. I think its a miss to not have a Combat 2 seater to train in and offer the back seat free to new users. Leaving lots ‘new to DCS’ buyers on the side line I think. So, I’ll let that idea stew then Keep crushing your other stuff ED!!!!!

Interesting read - Lower AOA departure compared to A,C with a possible nose slice when near the edge of the B envelope. I’m sure it would be a bear to get perfect but not that hard to get pretty good. The loss of realism with departures not occurring at lower AOA in the B or not perfectly replicating wouldn’t be a huge concern. I’m sure they count tweak the Flight Model to make this difference noticeable. After all the desire for “I have control” instruction benefits would out way any aerodynamic inaccuracies. Keeping stuff simple so that can offer a B back seat or a B+ if you will. An F-18B with the C stuff replicated. No Pod control, or extra stuff. Just the basics to take a pax in a mission and let em fly around. Not a RL aircraft made but it does fit DCS needs. A small step into a minor ‘gamed’ backseat so that we can teach new guys get some MSFS users hooked into DCS.

I’m not a software guy - how did the SUFA guys make the 16 D? What do they have that ED does not? Money, more time..? I know it’s passion project likely, wonder why ED wouldn’t grab their stuff … dev work done … just gotta buy it. Costs?? Because it’s a Mod, they want stay away from that? Does it open a can of worms for em to take in other projects? Genuinely curious - wanting stay on B topic but it seem ED leaves some $$ the table at times for all manner of things. I guess ED is probably stretched thin rn with all the items in the pipeline ED - I don’t know game development ‘in’s n outs’ just expressing ideas to grow your fan base Hope this is a good idea

Hey Lace, 2 seat tactical jets are great. Best to show the new flyers a full up combat capable aircraft most fitting to what DCS is. The C101/MB339 can’t replicate front line and get regular folk excited. The F-1 is a low draw and low tech. Not many people fly it. I do like it. I’m old school. The S.E is amazing and would work great (legal stiff aside…) though ED would not want the ‘free candy back seat’ offered buy a third party. Option 1 Hornet B Model Option 2 … seriously ED please make a B Hornet. Option 3 F-16B Will grow the DCS fly base nicely. p.s the F1 screen is good but won’t add in new players. Same as discord stream really.

Hey Mucho - Didn’t know the flight characteristics were that much different. Please shoot over the paper if u can share it. I know it would be work to create for sure / not dismissing that. ED needs a good two seat aircraft though to ‘hook’ (in the good way) people in to the sim. A frontline combat 2 seater. I prefer the Hornet, carrier based, play in the water, tons ‘o’ flap to show some aerodynamics off….. even though FBW, carries enough stuff to strike basically everything and can do BVR nicely. I still think it would be worth the effort.

Edit ED - I don’t know game development but hope this is a good idea so I’m spitballin.’ Original “Babe they gave me the Hornet for the weekend and I get to take up my buddy, I’m taking him to the range for a weapons shot too!!!!” Sadly we don’t get to say this virtually yet but I see it coming cuz it’s a pretty good idea…… 2 parts to this / 1 we need a method to teach current vFighter Pilots in the same plane / 2 and a way to get new vPilots interested in Mil flying. 1 vFighter Pilots This sim is awesome and current Trg Missions work for system review but so many times vPilots are stuck not knowing basics, for example: pitch is airspeed - power is altitude // how do I fly a circuit? // what’s a smooth lead look like?// how do two planes fly together as a form? // BFM - bandit crossed my 6 close, fast, large HCA - ahhhh scissors? // Turn circle entry… wait do I turn now?? Totally cool as that’s not taught in game nor can you be expected to squeeze it in. It remains a huge gap however that leaves players shy to ask when they don’t know how to fly or floundering in Single Player as they are afraid to come mess up in multi. I see it all the time, guys stuck in a corner bashful to ask a bad question. All of this solved with platform for Dual Instruction. There are a tons of RL flyers in game and many more that are not RL but absolutely excellent vFlyers and good instructors. Operating in a 2 ship of ‘single seat aircraft’ while trying to teach basics is difficult. I know we can stream Discord to see their cockpit and help with ‘words’ but nothing beats “I have control” and placing the aircraft in a certain piece of sky or manipulating their screens in real time in their cockpit to better show a sight picture. Circuits/ TAC Form/ Basic Surface Attack/ RADAR VID / Skate / Banzai etc. All of those lessons would be amazing to share in the same aircraft. As the Hornet is a DCS staple that almost all players have it’s a great one to make dual. 2 New vPilots (bringing in new DCS $$$) A bonus idea - make the B model free for players that don’t have it or DCS. Give them ‘back seat’ rides only so we can share what we are doing in here and get more eyeballs on the fun side of Military flying. It will help get more people into DCS (show em they can do it), grow the biz side and make more money for ya after they get a taste and dive in. Current aircraft, the TF-51 and SU-25T are not representative of what u guys offer or how much DCS has matured. Time to step it up. Create a Free B model Hornet ‘back seat,’ with ur current free maps. BOOM, all ur dreams will come true! ~Vote for Pedro You can’t miss!! Duals would be a really smart move. You can also charge 10$ for a new dual too - but polish up the textures to the new standards. Last thing : Do the same for the 16 after u get the F-18B out the door. Every one will grab that aircraft too. Anyway I’ll keep my hopes up while you think about it. P.s thank you again for letting me fly out my dream of being a fighter pilot!!!!!!!

Have not had a chance to ask him. Same as any pilot or service member that has a machine or combat replicated in the sim I’d imagine. Good and bad memories. I hope to see my grandfathers 420sqn Halifax in a sim at some point and fly some of his missions. Get a feel for what it may have been like as a MUG and Tail Gunner. Books do give some insight but combined with the sim, DCS really can bring stories back to life and allow others to empathize more with those that have been ‘front line.’ Mossie Mayhem is one I am listening to now and flying some missions from. It really make the understanding of history so much deeper. I hope to speak Mr Stewart in the near future. I’ll let you know his thoughts

I second that! My daughter just met a Mossie pilot over the weekend at CYKF, Canadian fella George Stewart. He flew a 23 SQN Mosquito VI, 50 missions. He is in his late 90's and I hope someone can make skin for him. It was an RAF 23 SQN Mark VI. YP-E PZ181. Thought it may be neat to create his Mossie Virtually. I reached out to one skinner Therio. He does a great job, hope he can make it and that we get separate forum soon. https://no23squadron.wordpress.com/category/george-stewart/page/2/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFDwQELjwE

Ordered! Can't wait to try this out. Will be a great for the modern fighter types. Would really love to see VKB do F-18,16 and 14 grips as well. Till then this is a terrific option. The extra buttons are great for some side panel items too.

Moderation is good if well measured. Scripts are beyond me. :) if Samoht and team can make one, super. Till then, a fix is needed for the chaos at Anapa for sure. I fly the Mig-15 from Kymrsk just to stay away from the potholes and crazy flying. Far nicer place to fly around. Put some 18’s there. Would be nice to start at a field that’s relaxed so to speak. Put the helos 100nm away from the fixed wings. Hope the choppers would lose interest in buzzing the taxing airplanes during the longer transit. A shuffling of aircraft and bases may help restore the fun. Or...have an invited AO server for those that are established flyers. Just spitballing. The AO is fun just need to get the chaos out of it. :)

Thanks Samoht. :) @Pingpongchampeen. I’m not flying like that. I feel the same my friend. Your frustration is misdirected. I am hoping the AO does get cleaned up. If u ever saw me fly you’d know I’m not that guy that the kicking is aimed at. :) The server just needs a script to detect and ban. It’s too hard for a guy to police and not have it drive him crazy. I’m sure Wildcat is a good fella (gotta be if you stood up for him) He is tired of it all too and going after folks that are the real target. It easy to question everyone when trying to set order. I get it, it would drive me nuts too but you can’t close out dialog and kick after a question is asked either. We all want the same. A clean AO and to have guys realize no one is impressed with buzz jobs or head on passes or any reckless unsolicited flight that puts another guy in danger. Samoht put it all in context. I agree with him completely. If we get a script and let the people focus on finding guys that are the real trouble, happy days ahead. :) Wildcat come fly and have fun. Leave Anapa as a smoking hole till a script arrives to police it as it does for taxi speeds. Works great too. You’ll have a way better time just flying. See ya in the server guys