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Yep, first flight is just a milestone. To be honest, it took USA 15 years form the first flight of YF-22 to F-22A achieves IOC, I won't expect China goes any faster than USA. Although I hope J-20 can achievs IOC by the year 2018, cause according to the latest timetable, WS-15 engine can be operated about in 5 or 6 years, and PL-21 long range missile can catch up with the plane.(PL-10 short range missile is already operational)

the 16000daN class engine WS-15 is still testing, EF2000 also used RB199 for its first flight

it's my pleasure :)

Jan 11th live feed by 飞扬情报部http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1101/303761.html and 超级大本营特派员http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1047372-1-1.html time zone: GMT+8 weather condition of ZUUU Wind from the SW (220 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT) Visibility greater than 7 mile(s) Sky conditions mostly clear Temperature 42 F (6 C) Dew Point 23 F (-5 C) Relative Humidity 45% Pressure (altimeter) 30.30 in. Hg (1026 hPa) 0936: one JL-8 double seated trainer, two J-10S double seated fighter appears. One of the J-10S loaded with some kind of pod 0938: the weather is great, refueling truck and electric power vehicle is next to J-20 0939: someone is on the reviewing stand preparing something. The engine of the J-20 is the silver color version 0940: drag parachute loaded 1024: ground crew work started 1036: pilot shows up 1045: J-20 engine started 1052: taxing to runway 1053: high speed rolling test 1101: pilot left 1103: loading drag parachute 1107: J-10S (the one with the pod) cockpit opens 1114: security guard shows up, we are on the tree again 1116: both the J-10 and J-20 started their ground crew work. Fire truck shows up 1121: J-10S pilot onboard (the one with the pod) 1122: the VIP seat is still empty 1126: J-10S engine started 1128: some police car shows up 1130: J-10S #220 taxing to the runway 1131: J-10S takes off 1135: two ambulance shows up 1145: J-10S landed 1208: B-4079 Boeing 737 landed 1221: cameraman on position 1222: B-4020 Boeing 737 landed (these two 737 belongs to the government) 1229: J-20 engine testing 1233: J-10S takeoff again 1243: J-20 engine started and testing with the cockpit opened 1247: J-20 taxing to the runway Jan 11th 12:50:16: J-20 TAKE OFF!!!!! with J-10S as chase plane 1252: it seems it took off without activated the after burne, nobody saw the flame from the nuzzle 125X: circuling above the airfield now 1300: fly above the airfield, obviously longer and wider than the J-10S 1308: J-20 landed 1310: J-20 parking, J-10S landed 1320: A perfect first flight! Bravo to all the scientists, engineers, workers! Unconfirmed information: first flight test pilot Gang·Li (李刚) An interesting fact Jan 11th 2007: Anti-satellite missile test succeeded :lol: Jan 11th 2010: Anti-missile weapon test succeeded :lol: Jan 11th 2011: 5th-gen fighter first flight succeeded :lol: more pictures: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1101/303833.html vedio clip: http://www.56.com/u45/v_NTc3NTI4NTA.html

there's a big chance that the first flight is tomorrow (Jan 11th).However I have a important test tomorrow so maybe I can't translate the live feed by then, but I will try my best to deliver the latest news

China J-20 and J-10S fighter size: 11071*1422

Everybody is guessing and waiting. However, we've been waiting for 10 years, so there is no problem to wait for another couple of days. It seems that the only problem today is the weather so we just need to wait for a cleaner day, it shouldn't be long. In today's case, keep an eye the restriction order of the nearby airport will be a smart way to track the date.

HUGE PICTURE BY 危险关系 NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS :) the original picture is too big to fit in my photobucket account (4628*1820) the original thread is here: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=302904&page=2

finally...a photo from above briefly live feed: (GMT+8 ) 0907: engine testing. reviewing stand decorated. 0931: ground crew vehicle arrived 0933: runway lights testing 0936: banner says "welcome to AVIC Chengdu airplane factory" 0943: two J-10S(double seated fighter) parking. #219 and #220 1000: J-20 parking 1010: green flare 1020: B-4018 Boeing 737 landed (which belongs to the government) 1030: another banner set up 1110: 4 minibuses and 7 militaria trucks arrived 1116: J-20 pilot arrived, cockpit closed and starts engine testing 1117: more and more people gathering, even on trees and rooftops, including employees from Chengdu airplane factory 1123: another government Boeing 737 arrived, code B-4019 1125: J-20 high speed rolling test 1127: J-20 parking 1131: pilot left 1132: reloading drag parachute 1148: refueling 1153: fuel truck and air conditioning vehicle left 1205: lunch time. someone says that Chengdu Shuangliu Airport (ZUUU, a commercial airport in Chengdu city) received a restriction order between 1300-1500 about banning all the commercial flights ============================= what a good day:pilotfly: many of them asked for leave and flew all across the country only to see J-20 ========================== 1216: testing started again. reviewing stand full of people 1237: 6 black car arrived with police car as pace car 1242: there're too many people, the police begin to evac the crowd. we'll be on air shortly 1248: ground power vehicle connected on J-20 1254: we are now on a tree to get better sight 1258: the VIP seat of the reviewing stand is still empty 1302: ground crew left the plane with the cockpit opened 1306: rumor says that president Hu is coming, now it's forbidden to point the telescope to the reviewing stand direction. 1310: Chengdu Shuangliu Airport (ZUUU) not available to land now 1315: another round of evacuation. there're over 5000 people over here watching and waiting 1322: engine started. there're security guard all over the place 1336: a firetruck standby beside the runway 1337: the broadcast began to persuade the crowd to leave for security reason 1340: some big shot shows up, we can hear the sound of claping 1340-1440: big shot shows up, all kinds of speeches and took lots of photos 1440-1500: more big shots arrived, please be patient 1525: first flight postponed due to the bad weather

about the engine: I'm more and more confused now.... more and more info suggests the first flight is on Jan 7th,at about 1400 time(GMT+8 ) rumor says the first flight was supposed on Jan 6th, but because of some reason it was postponed for 1 day I will keep the news refreshed ASAP as I did on #185

the winter in southwestern China is supposed to be cold wet and foggy. I've never benn to Chengdu, the live feed is online and all I need to do is to refresh the webpage (and over 20000 people are doing the same thing at this very moment)

some new pictures. obviously the the engine of the top 4 pics are from AL-31 family but the last picture really confuses me .... maybe there're 2 planes doing the rolling test? the first 4 pics were take on Jan 5th, the last picture was take on Jan 6th http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/TpGpk3r-prI/ http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/wcXISkUV-18/ http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/w1qAXYFof30/ http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/iJUsxlms8FM/ some video clip with better definition :) Jan.6th live feed from 飞扬情报部 http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1101/302124.html and emask http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1043637-1-1.html (briefly) 0810: airfield radar starts rolling (all in Beijing time, GMT+8 ) 0845: J-20 engine testing 0850: sunny day, fog goes away 1108: B-4109 Boeing 737 arrived (PS:Huangtianba airfield is not for commercial flights. B-4109 Boeing 737 belongs to the government) 1115-1118: some military man leave the plane and left the airfield 1130: some trucks arrived, start to build a reviewing stand 1148: J-20 engine testing. a double seated plane appears on the end of the runway, maybe a chase plane 1208: one J-10A, one J-10S(double seated fighter) and one JL-8(double seated trainer) are ready to takeoff. reviewing stand still building. 1235: some kind of radar was set up by a military motor lorry. JL-8 cockpit closed. 1240: airfield broadcast device testing. the weather is great, clear sky, no wind 1246: some video cameras were set up along the runway 1301: two green buses arrived. the guard line of the reviewing stand was set up. some people was doing the secret check at the reviewing stand 1310: runway lights on. J-10S pilots onboard 1313: boeing 737 took off 1317: engine testing noise, the source is unknown 1320: J-10S took off 1324: J-10A ready to take off 1325: J-10A took off, join the formation with J-10S 1331: J-20 had his lunch and back in sight 1335: J-10 formation appears 1338: J-20 ROLLING OUT!! the J-10 formation appear again, it seems the chasing plane pilot is warming up 1344: J-10 formation appears again 1347: J-20 on taxi area 1348: it seems J-20 has switched the to WS-10 engine, the color and the shape is totally different from AL-31 we seen before. (the nozzle of AL-31 is black, the nozzle of WS-10 is sliver) 1350: J-10 formation landed 1354: crew is doing some checking on J-20. one of them goes onto the wing with white shoe cover 1359: cameras were set up. 1402: J-20 refueling 1405: fueling vehicle left, air conditioning vehicles arrived 1407: some big shot arrived. 5 minibuses with police car as pace car. most in AF uniform, some in ARMY uniform 1414: some banner was set up 1415: J-20 pilot onboard with white helmet and cameraman following!!! 1417: all the ground service work finished 1423: J-20 cockpit closed and engine started 1425: engine testing ---one of the forum server is down--- 142X: afterburner testing 142X: taxing to runway 1432: high speed rolling test with nose up 1440: pilot left the plane.

I'm not in Chengdu city, I only found this on one of the military forums, but I still think it's funny enough to share :)

first video clip released http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/VDrpLi8EER0/ 00:38 "nobody saw us" 00:46 "wow it scares me" 00:52 "the nose is up" 00:54 "go let's go" (all in the sichuan dialect) and today a guy brought a portable speed measuring radar and aimed it on the J-20, the radar didn't respond.....:lol::lol::lol: and a cute version of J-20 by "kaka22"

Yesterday's picture shows that the nose lifted up and the front wheel leave the ground during the rolling. Somebody said they saw the viewing stand is building beside the airfield suggested the first flight is coming soon

I admit I was being racism and I apologize. But it is important to understand that in Chinese culture, the unite of the country is a very important concept. Although during the Three Kingdom era and Qin Dynasty millions of people were killed but the result of the war is the country become united, so in Chinese culture, the emperor of Jin Dynasty(who ended the Three Kingdom era) and Qin Dynasty is are considered to be great emperor. So is to Han Dynasty, before Han Dynasty beat the Huns, they were forced to give their princess out to the Huns to keep the peace for hundreds of years. Thousands of years later after the Opium War, we finally understand that as a weak country, being invaded is unavoidable. So I think at this point, you can understand why Chinese is so determined on Taiwan issue. In 1950s when China and Soviet Union were brothers, we felt strongly about building a submarine base in China for Soviet Union. Now US airbase is surrounding China with advanced fighters and bombers, I don't think China will serve them by delicious dishes.

This is obvious a CG product. However I want to point out that this CG is made by 高山, who is a professional military CG artist in China and was believed has some inside information channel.

Well......what can I say....maybe I myself is also live in a place just for tourism too:megalol:. The fact is you can go anywhere as long as you have money and time, even beside the airfield where the 5th-Gen fighter is tested in Chengdu city. Of cause some of the place you can't visit such as military base, but as far as I know you can't visit any military base in USA without a permission either. I admit that many of the progress of technology in China is based of foreign brains. But we didn't force them to come and we paid them reasonable price, sometimes even over price. So don't try to judge a country by just watching CNN or wikileak, cause no experience is better than experience it yourself.

The SAM avoid friendly aircraft issue honestly I've never think about it. Being a long range fighter is absolutely important for a Chinese fighter, in fact that's why China purchased SU27 instead of MIG29. However in J-20's case, I want to believe it's designed as a fighter not a fighter-bomber because China is expecting many 5th-Gen fighter all around it: Russia has PAK-FA and so will India and many former Soviet Union countries. Japan and Korea even Taiwan are struggling on buying F35. USA also has airbase not far from China with stealth fighters and bombers. So to deal with all these advanced fighter with a reasonable amount of price, a complex expansive multifunction fighter-bomber is not a wise choice. Of cause it can accomplish some strike task but it be its main business. As a Chinese, I know what Chinese people think. Thousands of years ago we were the strongest country in the world yet we didn't love the taste of blood like the romans or the arabians (no offense). Today I don't think we will be changed especially half of the economy of China is beasd on orders from abroad.:)

I want to point out that this is just a prototype and there're lot's of work still left over, think about how many differences between YF22 and F22A. So I believe the final edition will be much better. For example the 150+ KN thrust WS15 will replace the AL31F by then and maybe by that time the tail will be an RCS reduce model. And we must notice that the PLAAF is build as a national air defense type of military force and I don't think it will change very soon. So PLAAF aircrafts doesn't need to worry to much about what the tail look like because there is the whole SAM system watching its back.Their job is to intercept the invader or attack the enemy AWACS, not to fly above other country to drop the bomb.So we will understand why this bird is so long and has a big nose. Cause the supersonic performance and good radar performance is what PLAAF wanted.

That would be perfect, China will soon earn enough money to develop more advanced aircrafts. This is 5th-Gen fighter we are taking about, it will make much more money than selling T-shirts or cheap cellphones:megalol::megalol::megalol:

new pictures

Dec 27th live by 网士(finished):http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1036684-1-2.html Dec 27th live by 飞扬情报部(finished):http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1012/298686.html Dec 28th live by peter_rong & 网士(finished):http://lt.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=1037214&extra=&page=1 Dec 28th live by 飞扬情报部(finished):http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1012/299047.html some new info on 28th: thick fog on the airfield in the morning. One of the live feeder lied to his wife about there's an important meeting and he called sick at work :) the tea bar beside the airfield rised the price 50% because these days their business is on fire First flight is not today as there aren't any banners or decoration there. Beijing time Dec 28th 15:10, high speed rolling and raised nose yet didn't fly Beijing time Dec 28th 17:03, medium speed rolling Beijing time Dec 28th 17:13, end of today's test. wing shape confirmed

I'm glad that we are on the same page, it's not a place to talk about politics. And it's true that there are many photoshop-made aircraft pictures in the internet. I myself was fooled by some of them too. But I can tell you the photos we've seen since Dec 25th are TRUE. Because 1: these days there're thousands of fans gathered around the airfield of the 132th factory where the 5th-gen fighter was build and they post live threads on the forum. The aircraft is on high speed rolling phase and rumor says the first flight is on Dec 28th. There are NO WAY to fool thousands of aircraft maniacs at the same time. The reason why all the pictures are not so clear is because there're also police around the airfield too. It's free to look - even with telescope - but strictly forbidden to use a camera or you might be arrested. 2: As I said, I'm in avionics industry and so as many of my friends. I can't say further more but this one is TRUE. If it's not, them some of my friends may just wasted some of his best years on doing nothing. So I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best. :)