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Here it is partially assembled, you can see the motorbike steering damper in the background and the hollow brake disc in place. It's the only part that is mild steel rather than stainless as the electromagnet needs to grip this.
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On 3/11/2021 at 9:57 AM, slowmover said:
Great project I want to see the final result
22 hours ago, Andrew u.k. said:Yes please show us the end result. I've been through the trials and tribulations in 40 posts!
I've been flying with x56 throttle so I'm really interested, you say it's like light and day and I need to get a collective .
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Cool, here's a few more pics.
This is the adaptor collar to connect the collective grip to the stainless steel arm. It was really important for me to not modify the original part and make up an adaptor instead as after all, although I will be extending it's life, it's still a collectable to me!
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I have the finished product ready to show if anyone is still interested and will get some pictures up soon, just giving this a bump! If anyone is on the fence about getting /building a collective, do it! It's a real game changer for immersion over using my WH throttle, this and Reverb G2 is just amazing
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Some seem to have the mindset only with the most expensive, latest hardware you can enjoy our hobby truly.
I think the 10900k reviews are disapointing. Intel needs to come to grips with their next gen tech before they will be able to provide truly a meaningful imrovement of their CPUs.
Depends on what your baseline is though. Relative to my 4790k that was £260 7 years ago it's a huge upgrade and represents great value, both intrinsic and financially, the 10900k is now the same price the 9900k was last month which is great to see. Flagship graphics cards on the other hand. I'm still stuck in the days of buying the best in the world for £350 then all of a sudden when I want the best this generation it's £1350!
I do have that mindset where I want the latest most expensive hardware (to a certain degree at least / within reason and within the mainstream market) It's part of what makes us enthusiasts.
Something I have taken from your last post also is questioning why I don't dust off my Vic-20 and see how it handles DCS in VR. I also have a BBC Micro that I could hook up if someone has the DCS tapes :lol:
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But I do kind of feel that there's a culture of us being told we need those extra cores. Who here uses their DCS machine for blender or adobe premier?
My 4cyl Audi S3 was a lot faster than my mate's 6cyl 3 series BMW haha :)
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Its really interesting. Intel has 50ns of latency to the ram, amd zen 2 (3000 series) has 75ns. These numbers are at 3200mhz and testing was done by hardware unboxed. If u tune the memory u can go into the 60s on zen 2, but u will never reach 50ns. I think memory latency is a big advantage that intel has. Zen 3 will improve on it, but the interesting thing is that intel should improve on it too. A leaked slide showed that intel wont be realeasing any desktop cpus this year, which is a shame, looks like amd has this year with their zen 3. But maybe intel will still be better in single core next year, if they can get a new μarch with better ipc, better mem latency and atleast good clockspeeds. Better mem latency will yield better scaling when ocing.
I'm not convinced Zen 3 is going to be that much better if at all than 10900k in single threaded situations.
Everyone loving on AMD just seems to be an attempt to 'stick it to the man' of the Intel powerhouse.
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My friend has just picked up the 10700k so we should have some ideas on performance soon hopefully, he's gone from a 6th gen I5
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My last thread went severely off the rails with focus on subjective value rather than first hand accounts of the new 10th gen Intel chips and specifically how they perform in DCS relative to whatever previous hardware you guys had before.
So is there anyone here yet with a 10th gen chip? I'd love to read some feedback on first impressions!
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Can't play that vid, gives error
Sorry, fixed now
I'm guessing it was Jayz two cents ?Nailed it :lol:
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For anyone that invested too much in the negative hype and 'drama queen' attitude of some of the tech media outlets this video illustrates that this is not a nuclear power plant :)
Skip to 17:00 for a great summarising sentence. :thumbup:
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I get that a lot :) There is no "n" .
Haha, ah yeah, I read SVSmonkey lol monkey on the brain as my DCS servers are always called "Monkey"
There's a car battery company in the UK called Tayna Batteries, at first I wondered who would name a company with girls name.
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SVSmonkey? Is that as in the speakers?
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Yeah , i understand what you are saying , but the fact is it is yet a month or more too early to ask the question . Even with the hardware in hand , it's gonna take a couple weeks or more to tune and evaluate .
I was picturing more of a scenario like when I upgraded my RAM for DCS, I have a set manual benchmark in the f 14 free flight, so am familiar with the first 30 seconds characteristics. I swapped the RAM, loaded it back up and grinned for the rest of the day at how much difference the extra 400MHz made (with looser timings I might add as I had 2000MHz DDR 3 CL8 and swapped with 2400MHz CL11 - Yes my first kit was configured to run at those speeds in case anyone tells me it was at 1600MHz or something :thumbup:)
I know my frame times using FPS VR, It would take 10 minutes of flying to notice the impact the CPU has so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to have fist impressions after a day or 2.
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Did anyone notice the thread title haha :lol:
I love a good discussion but there seems to be a lot opinions about which CPU to buy, I may have to start a new thread with the same title to discuss 10900k performance with owners of the chip :megalol:
The 10900k is objectively a better performance and as we use DCS, those 2 stronger cores out of the box will be a great help to our FPS. Opinions of value etc are all well and good and genuinely interesting but for the OP side of things, I don't care about value, I can afford it, I'm not rich but I could imagine going to buy a Ferrari and someone stopping me on the way to tell me the GTR is only .2 seconds slower 0-60 and £200,000 cheaper.
I have £100s in custom water loop hardware so it could be 400w for all I care, I just want shadows on in DCS :joystick: :P
People should listen to Milou, he knows the deal and has saved me loads of time in replying lol. The best chip is the 10900k, a 10% boost in the 3900x single threaded is not likely to make the difference although it is worth waiting 2 weeks at this point but in all likelihood, the 10900k will still be the most powerful for my needs. (I'm tired of hearing reviewers tell me AMD is great for productivity, does anyone here actually care professionally and game on the same machine?)
MSI suggest that 30% of the 10900k chips will clock significantly higher than stock. It's not unreasonable to buy 2 and re sell the weaker overclocker as tested but barely used, it would still work 100% to advertised specs.
Either way, thank you so far for the conversation. I'm still very much looking forward to first hand accounts of this chip in DCS and contrary to some people's opinions, whatever I get at this stage over my 7 year old CPU is going to be a great all round upgrade - Fast DDR4, 1Tb nvme 5+GHz and shadows on :pilotfly:
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ok if you are playing at 4k, does your CPU matter that much? it means nothing to me however faster it is. the next gen GPUs are what we are waiting for
That doesn't make sense in DCS, a fly exclusively in VR, all setting maxed out and 1.4 PD on a HP reverb. My 2080ti runs at around 60% utilisation, zero FPS increase if I heavily overclock it.
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There is some poor information / opinion / analysis / interpretation in this thread in various places.
First thing, you have a current top GPU which is being held back by your CPU and memory. I totally understand you wanting to upgrade now. Before you do anything just realise the following:
1) Towards the end of the year Nvidia will release the successor to Turing which is rumoured to be c.40% faster!!!
2) AMD will release Zen 3 CPUs which are rumoured to be c.15% faster that Zen 2 on single threaded performance! So they could really bridge the gap with what intel has been achieving on 14nm, while still reaping the benefits of 7nm.
3) Intel's Z490 platform is likely to be "current" in 2020, 2021 and be replaced by LGA 1700 in 2022: this will bring 10nm lithography to CPUs, PCIe4, probably DDR5 and possibly USB4. Of course a Comet Lake CPU will still work in 2022, but you might well find yourself wanting to upgrade again.
Of course in the tech world there is always something new, "better" every year so you would never do anything if you kept waiting and waiting and waiting. The real question should be does you current set up meet your expectations or is it holding you back. It sounds like you are frustrated and it is holding you back. Okay, so I get why you are looking to upgrade.
In a nutshell the new Comet Lake CPUs are very good for DCS. I have not seen benchmarks yet, nor do I have one. But what I can say is:
1) i5-10600K, i7-10700K and i9-10900K processors all get the 0.5mm silicon substrate (down from 0.8mm) which helps cooling. And they use solder to attach the IHS. So compared to Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake they are easier to cool on a same number of cores, same clock speed basis. If left at default settings the CPUs will turbo effectively and remain at 125W power draw which is easily coolable with a quality air cooler like a Noctua NH-D15 or BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and sufficient case ventilation. Sure you can draw as much as 300W on a 10 core clocked at 5.2GHz all core and that will be much harder to cool but you don't need 5.2GHz on 10 cores to shift your bottleneck significantly in DCS.
2) Probably what you should aim for is 1 or 2 cores boosted to 5GHz or beyond. And the great news is that you can do that with the relatively inexpensive i5 and a good quality motherboard like the Z490I Unity which is available at only c.$270 and an aircooler.
3) If you do go for the i7 or i9, they are costing significantly more and DCS will not use the extra cores (which also generate heat you need to get rid of). However, next generation consoles will have 8 core / 16 thread CPUs, so more games will be written with that CPU capacity in mind. So getting an i7 future proofs you a bit more. If you are just optimising for DCS however then other games are not a concern. But I just mention it.
4) Also if you go i7, it is better binned than the i5. And the i9 is better binned than the i7.
5) And finally i7 and i9 get you the new turbo boost thing... whatever it is called. Meaning you can be lazy and let the CPU overclock itself pretty effectively. But less a concern if you were going to do an manual overlock and power consumption be damned. (Like I would).
Conclusion: new Comet Lake CPUs are great for DCS, they are available right now (no waiting for never never), the i5 is great value for DCS. But AMD will likely come up with something equally good for games AND better at other stuff later in the year. And Intel themselves will come up with a bigger technology leap in 2 years. And the GPU market is about to light up again.
Haha, I started writing basically this but have been busy so didn't get very far, this is exactly right and thank you for saving me the time to write it!!
SO MUCH misunderstanding going round about these chips at the moment and a lot of people talking nonsense across the internet, including some 1million+ sub tech reviewers which is scary.
Ultimately, I've enjoyed the conversation so far and appreciate the input but as expected I suppose, there is some talk about value etc. Of course this can be quantified objectively $ per frame for example but people forget that it is also very important to value things subjectively or for things to have an intrinsic value.
My question wasn't "should I get one" I'm getting one as the cost is not a deciding factor, I was just curious as to people's first hand experience with the chip. I know it is very early days though.
Essentially, for us that build a PC to play DCS, one or two STRONG cores is what we need, not 10s of weaker cores. Arguments such as AMD having a better IPC are all well and good on the surface but to use a car analogy again, your car may well have 400bhp at 6500rpm and at the rev limiter and mine only 350bhp at 6500rpm but my car might rev to 8500rpm and hit 600bhp :lol: It's a short sighted comparison.
My 2080ti and 4790k will play pretty much any game at 4k 60hz which is the limit of both my TV and my projector so I know in some cases it's fine but I want shadows on in DCS VR!! And I'm willing to pay for it haha.
The only reason I am considering a 10900k over anything else is exactly as milou says, the I9 is higher binned silicon and also has velocity boost and the 5 and 7 don't, that one feature alone may be worth nothing in Tomb Raider but I am betting it will be great to get the extra 200+MHz in DCS.
When calculated as a relative cost against the entire build of a high end PC, it's only £100 more for a higher binned chip, more features, more cores (if you care about that for other stuff) Water cooling fittings cost more than that so it is a worthy upgrade I think.
I don't agree fully though about waiting as I have waited long enough and nearly bought a 9900k last year. If 11th gen works at full potential on z490 then I will sell the I9 on a £1 fees weekend on eBay! And the 3080ti is already in my 'virtual basket' so that is covered :) Zen 3 may be awesome ( I hope it is as I have AMD shares haha) but 15% uplift in single threaded performance isn't going to be far off the 10900k in single threaded if the benchmarks scale nicely. And will that socket allow for further releases like the LGA 1200 is meant to?
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From what I've read you need to factor in the price of a cooling system that only a few years ago would have bought you a high end GPU, it looks like once the revs get near the red line, you can boil soup.
:megalol: Indeed, I read it's something crazy like 350w
It's not too bad if you already have a custom loop, I think I'd not consider it if I needed to spend loads on more cooling.
You're so right about the high end GPU, I got in to gaming when the HD5870 was the fastest in the world, it cost me £330 I think. 10 years later and the 2080ti cost £1000 more!
The wattage isn't too bad when you look at it from a GPU perspective, I had a MSI 2080ti gaming x trio and flashed it with a 400w bios. The cooler is big but it more than handled 100% load which in games is typical, for a 300w CPU though, 100% usage is very rare unless benchmarking or rendering so it will only spike to those kind of temps in real life usage. All the media outlets seem to want to over dramatise these things lol.
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Yeap! Almost the same boat;D
Well I have a 2070 S, its a little on the lower end but it has helped a bit.
16 gb DDR3, and Corsair water cooling.
But I do have a reverb pro v2 and frankly DCS isn't a great experience with my rig and IL2 is always around 45 fps, but it's horrible when looking to the sides (everything warps). I can't spot a thing!
I'm new to the VR scene, so it has been like taking a degree; setup and redo it, and trying it again, edit this file, try this mod, vr on, vr off, not its jagged, now it's slow.
Anyway.
I was considering 32GB of RAM at least. Everyone is bashing Intel over AMD, but both DCS and IL2 aren't going to change engine anytime soon and it is still up to core speed.
Here in Portugal 3900X is roughly the same price as i7-10700K i9-9900KF (around 490/500 euro). And I'm really confused, and I've read so many things and seen so many videos :|
I have the same headset and my friend that I fly with has the 2070s with the reverb v2 too there are a few things you could try as that setup should be great. I have all settings at max apart from shadows as that destroys my CPU frametimes. But I have 2xMSAA and 1.4 in game PD (Steam SS is worse for my setup and there seems to be some misinformation about how Steam SS works compared to native PD scaling)
Do you have FPS VR? It's a super cheap but invaluable app to get to fine tune your settings.
Also, have you enable motion reprojection? What refresh rate are you using in WMR? Drop me an PM if you want to discuss it as I have spent hours and hours now fine tuning for the best looking results, I'm a bit of a screen snob so can't tolerate shimmering etc. And we have really similar setups. I don't get on well with the shader mod for VR, it's amazing work from the guy that did it but it just looks a bit rubbish with stuff disabled and turned down. I'm looking at applying just the screen mask though as that is great for not rendering stuff we can't see.
I've had Rift, Odyssey+, Pimax 5k, Pimax 8K, Rift S and now Reverb Pro which I find is by far the best out of all of them for flying, it's just a shame about the hideous controllers though!! Let me know if you want to chat about settings :thumbup:
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You want to replace Intel Core i7-4790K for 10900K for DCS???
This 10900K is not better than your current CPU if you are looking for processing power, it runs natively in 3.7 GHz, don't expect it to outperform your current CPU.
I am running my I7-6700K at 4.18 GHz across all cores constantly, I have not seen 10900K performing that well across all cores yet, and for the RRP they're asking, I would hold fire till December.
Um yeah.... of course I want to replace my 4790k. Why sound so surprised?
There seems to be 2 scenarios here, either I am interpreting your message incorrectly or you're talking nonsense?
You do realise that that is like saying a 1.0l Nissan Micra has the same power output at 6000rpm as a Nissan GTR. The frequency is irrelevant accross different CPU architecture. Even the 9900k would be a tiny bit slower at the same frequency due to the extra L3 cache on the 10900k.
My AMD 965BE ran at the same 3.7GHz all core as the 10900k, should I have held on to that?
Sorry if it offends but that's just not correct.
I will have MUCH faster RAM capabilities coming from DDR3 2200MHz
WAY more headroom given my 4790k is absolutely thrashed at 4.7 - 4.8 kept only in place by a 5 x 120mm rad water loop.
In one year I can sell the 10900k for £300 and get the 11900k for a die shrink and new architecture.
Finally, why would it matter that yours runs at 4.7GHz on all cores? This is DCS we're talking about:doh:
I have a 2080ti and compared to a friend's 2070 super and 6th gen I5, he gets better FPS than me (we both have an HP reverb) as my CPU frame times are horrible compared to his.
Sorry for the high horse rant but a 4790k at 4GHz is NOT the same as a 10900k at 4GHz :lol:
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There was a good comparison among new and last gen Intel (and AMD) on Hardware Canucks on Youtube. Worth watching.
Reviewer is pissed with Intel's lameness with this generation of CPUs so ignore his editorialisation comments and pay attention to the numbers.
HTH
Thanks, yeah, I watched some of that but found it a bit of a chore to listen to him bang on about how bad it is. Essentially though it's an incredible feat that 5 year old tech has been so refined and optimised that it STILL beats the competitor's very best! We all like to see the underdog do well but when the software an individual runs relies on strong single threaded performance, there is no better than the 10900k for now. A lot of reviewers seem hung up on the parallel threaded stuff like cinebench where 100s of cores do matter but not on our favourite flight sim!
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I'm following this one as I need to replace my 4770 ASAP! :D
I've seen the new 10600k also
Haha, yah, we're in the same boat here, I'll post anything I find, would be great if you hear of anything more specific to DCS if you could let us know here too, thanks :thumbup:
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As the title reads really, I'm keen to hear the differences over previous CPUs as it's time to upgrade to 10th gen (i'm on a lowly 4790k!)
Is there anyone here waiting on a pre order? It's been too long since my last build and my cash is burning a hole in my pocket!
All of the reviews overly focus on how 'good' amd are as they have so many cores but realistically, to get the best in our chosen software, we need IPC, not 100s of weaker cores. So the info albeit useful is somewhat biased towards the minority that actually use the CPUs in production software and the games tested are typically not so CPU bound as DCS.
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A few mock up photos.
In this one you can see the hole where the electro magnet sits, it's just down and right from the main bearing. This is the 'caliper' so to speak, although it pulls and grips the disc rather than squeezes like on a car.
This one shows how all of the wiring etc is internal you can see the holes drilled in the axle, big one to the side is for wiring, little one is for a grub screw to allow adjustment of the length of the collective arm itself.
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I jumped the gun a bit as I forgot where I got to in the build thread!!
This photo shows the pin and how one end disengages to expose a cavity where the pot sits in, the end of the pin is then held in with a grub screw to complete the axle.
End cap half way removed.
End cap in place.
This shows the pot fitted inside the end cap.
The slotted end then engages with a screwdriver type pin that is threaded so I can fine tune the exact positions of fully up and fully down.
This means that the pot turns with the axle and the adjustment screw is stationary.
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Thanks, I only designed it, the credit for the amazing build quality goes to my friend who made it
It is fully functional now and has been for a while although I have had some longer periods of other games / sims and family time so have not used it as much as I would have liked yet. I am desperate now though, I pre ordered the HP Reverb G2 (G1 was amazing) and got it on day one. unfortunately I returned my graphics card to make way for a 3080Ti which didn't show up when expected and the 3080s are impossible to get! I feel like a drug addict, 'desperate for a hit' waiting to get my GPU so I can get flying again!!! 4 weeks maybe until the 3080Ti if the rumours are correct but whether I can get one is another matter.....