Thank u horseback for ur response and I forming me......I like the 51 but try not to be to muchof a fanboy j just moved on here to dcs cause of the excellent job they have done with warbirds....VR, dm, etc and the fact that they continue to try and improve things from an historical view point.....other sims...iL something.......are not doing nearly as much as ed seems to be .....I agree that a 150 Oct ( option with a g6/14 would be the best bet to make this more of a historical...not balanced ...match up ....I'm not so much looking for balance but historical accuracy....that's just my opinion though...