Ok I definetly got into a hover , But I'm not staying put, the wind is only 3 m/s I am using the shooting range mission to practice. Even when I am at only 2 kph it still noses up on me not as bad and my trim is set so that basically hands off I am even with the horizon and not climbing or descending. This trim is definetly tricky, I'll post a track if I can find out how.