SPO-15LM Beryoza advantage

[Mowgli]

F-15c pilot: how do u compensate for the lack of a "smart" RWR like the SPO-15LM Beryoza? it gives the Russian pilot information about the direction & distance of threats , especially important when a missile is homing on u

 

when I'm flying the F-15c many times I'm guessing where the missile is.

 

waiting to hear from the pro's here on the forum the tactics they use while flying the F-15c :book:

 

Thanks

[srky]

Beryoza can only help you with distance if you know exactly which radar (fighter) is illuminating you... which it doesn't tell you. F-15 rwr on the other hand tells you exactly which radar type illuminates you so you know if you can expect ARH (MiG-29) or only SARH (Su-27) missiles.

Furthermore, Beryoza can only help you evade (to some extent) ARH missiles and not SARH, because only active missiles force Beryoza to mark them as primary threat and then display their signal strength increase as they close on target. Sparrow should be immune to this despite of its own, obvious disadvantages in relation to active homing missiles.

So, once again; Beryoza does not give a Russian pilot a distance to a threat, but rather a general type of radar (awacs, ground based or fighter) and a signal strength -but only for a primary threat. Russian pilot can only discern approximate distance to a primary threat if he knows for certain the type of plane which is targeting him, and that is not always the case.

[GGTharos]

A lot of the capabilities of the Western RWR are not modeled, but it is still superior to Beryoza in-game. It provides you with superior SA.

 

The ability to 'get distance' and dodge timings with Beryoza may or may not be BS, who knows; there's certainly nothing smart about it. You can also get distance from the western RWR, as long as you can figure out where each symbol appears based on distance.

 

As for the western RWR, it should certainly have evasion aids, and even more SA-enhancing features such as different sounds for different radars, different symbol brightness based on emitter mode, break-out capability and the ability to link an approximate representation of the threat range to your VSD. Those are great when flying as a team, and they help with flying alone. It would be nice if they were modeled.

Edited June 30, 2014 by GGTharos

[blkspade]

and the ability to link an approximate representation of the threat range to your VSD. Those are great when flying as a team, and they help with flying alone. It would be nice if they were modeled.

 

Honestly even without that being explicitly modeled, its pretty easy to extrapolate with like 95% accuracy anyway.

 

Once you get used to having a target locked/bugged, that you know is the one nailing/spiking you (1v1), you learn to approximate the distances. Plus the dots between 10-2 on the RWR line up with the VSD azimuth indicators perfectly.

[Mowgli]

looks like i need more MP Practice

 

thanks guys for the perspective shared here. it seems that i need more, much more MP practice to achieve the desired level of SA:joystick:

[JNASova]

F 15 RWR show you how many planes atacking you (illuminating with radar).Every of them is presented.If thay all coming from the more-les same direction,beryoza will show only thair direction.You will never know is there only one,and one more is hiding somewere and turn on radar for a moments.

[Robin_Hood]

F-15 rwr on the other hand tells you exactly which radar type illuminates you so you know if you can expect ARH (MiG-29) or only SARH (Su-27) missiles.

 

Except it doesn't differentiate between the two and only shows "29".

 

Otherwise I agree with what has been said. The Beryoza has a slight edge in some situations, but massive drawbacks all-around. The worst thing is it can only really show you one single threat (supposed to be the primary threat), while others are barely indications that there may be someone over there. And very often it can happen that the "threat" it shows is actually a friendly* (like your wingman who is out of position behind you), so that you don't have much information about real potential threats.

 

* Of course this can happen with the Eagle's RWR, but a) the aircraft type "may" allow you to discriminate between friends anf foes, and b) this doesn't prevent other radar indications from being shown, you will still see that MiG-29 50 miles in front even if your wingman is frying you with his radar right behind you.

 

Because let's face it: wingmen are always out of position

[esb77]

Different design philosophy to a certain extent too.

 

The SPO gives a prioritized very basic overview. For details you need help from AWACS, ground control, or your brain and your eyeballs.

 

The western RWRs have a lot more functionality, but learning them well enough to get full use out of them is more complex and takes longer.

 

In a WWII style conflict where you're planning on cranking out massive numbers of planes and sticking pilots with low flight hours in the cockpit the SPO is probably a better system due to simplicity for the pilot.

 

If you have the time and budget for training, and plan on most of your pilots bringing most of your planes back more or less intact from sorties the western style RWR systems are a lot nicer.

[Exorcet]

I got into Lock On flying the MiG-29 (only plane in the demo). I flew it a lot, long before I even got into the F-15. There's nothing that could make the Russian style cockpit more comfortable in my opinion. I think the SPO is harder to use regardless of what kind of pilot you are. The only advantages being elevation display which doesn't seem terribly precise and the range (signal) display, which takes a bit of experience to make sense of.