talidor Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Dear all, my collegue and me have been trying for some time to get the missle lock to work but to no success. We were watching the tutorials (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127433) but everytime the missle misses or doesn't seem to get a lock. We tried against AN-26 and against each other with F-86s. Here is what we did: 1. Uncage the mechanical lever 2. Switch to missles 3. Fly in a straight line behind the target 4. Wait for a higher sound (although we never hear the high pitch noise like in the video) and the red lock light in the cockpit 5. Shoot the missile (goes in a straight line) In forums everyone is talking about an electrical uncage button but there is only Electical Caging and Radar Target Selector in the settings. Any help appreciated. Thank you and Happy New Year.
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Try again and post a track. THe GAR-8 missile tutorial video in the thread you mentioned is a good one. But don't forget that the missile is fired with the Gun trigger. Just press and HOLD it for a second or two. The sound might be diffrent. I observed the same thing. I don't know why that is, but the missile still seems to work. It should be a bit higher pitched tone when the missile has a lock. I actually had my first online kill in the F-86 versus a MiG-15 with it. :) Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
talidor Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 Thank you for the quick reply. Do you know where the Electrical Uncage is? I cannot find it.
Flagrum Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Thank you for the quick reply. Do you know where the Electrical Uncage is? I cannot find it. If that term is used, then it is not correct. Perhaps it "sneaked" somehow into these discussions, but you are correct, there is only an "Electrical Caging" button. For i.e. bombing it is important to "electrical caging the gunsight" by pressing the Electrical Caging Button. A later step then requires the pilot to "electrical uncage the sight" by releasing said button.
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Electrical cage/uncage doesn't do anything for AA missiles. You can use it with AA gunnery and bombing. But quite frankly, bombing in this jet is horrible I think. And with years of Il-2 under the belt, making deflection shots are actually harder if the aimpoint jumps all over the HUD/gunsight. Anyways, let us know if you succeed with the missiles! Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
talidor Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 If that term is used, then it is not correct. Thank you for the clarification. I still cannot shoot down the AN-26 but I got to shoot down my collegue in his Sabre when he was flying straight. I understand these are supposed to be the first generation of heat-seekers so maybe that's why they need a strong heat signature to target. Did any of you guys succeeded in shooting down propeller aircraft?
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 The GAR-8 is tricky to use. But at least it works for you now. But sometimes, it will fly into the sun. And it will also lock on the very first flare the target will drop. But they are great if your enemy is running away from you in a more or less straight line and has no flares. (Like superfast AI MiG-15's ;) ) Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
johnv2pt0 Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Thank you for the clarification. I still cannot shoot down the AN-26 but I got to shoot down my collegue in his Sabre when he was flying straight. I understand these are supposed to be the first generation of heat-seekers so maybe that's why they need a strong heat signature to target. Did any of you guys succeeded in shooting down propeller aircraft? What range were you at when you tried? I can't remember the numbers exactly, but it seems to me that the minimum range for these are 1km or so. It's really easy to get too close and the missile won't track properly. Also I think weird things happen when the seeker head has to contend with the sun or weather. If you guys were flying towards the setting or rising sun that could mess with your results. I'm not sure if weather actually affects the missile in DCS though.
talidor Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 What range were you at when you tried? I can't remember the numbers exactly, but it seems to me that the minimum range for these are 1km or so. It's really easy to get too close and the missile won't track properly. Could be below 1km, I will try that out on higher distance. What is recommended fireing range? In the tutorial the guy says that max. is 4,5km but also not recommended as it is to far.
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Did any of you guys succeeded in shooting down propeller aircraft? I just blew a few P-51's out of the sky with the R-60M under the MiG-21. I just had to came in VEEERRRRYY close to get a tone. So if a P-51 (or an airplane of similar configuration) is manouevring about, it would be very hard to get a lock I think. Of course the R-60M is a bit more advanced, but you might want to try it with a GAR-8 as well. IIRC, I had no trouble locking it on the AN-30 in the "Instant mission". The Missiles didn't hit, but it locked on and it steered more or less in the direction of the target. Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
johnv2pt0 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Could be below 1km, I will try that out on higher distance. What is recommended fireing range? In the tutorial the guy says that max. is 4,5km but also not recommended as it is to far. Another member posted this info in another thread. This is from the real manual AFAIK but we don't really know if DCS has modeled it true to real life. Looks like absolute minimum range is 900m and max at 10,000ft is 1000m! pretty small window... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2136016&postcount=13
talidor Posted January 5, 2015 Author Posted January 5, 2015 I just blew a few P-51's out of the sky with the R-60M under the MiG-21. I just had to came in VEEERRRRYY close to get a tone. So if a P-51 (or an airplane of similar configuration) is manouevring about, it would be very hard to get a lock I think. Of course the R-60M is a bit more advanced, but you might want to try it with a GAR-8 as well. IIRC, I had no trouble locking it on the AN-30 in the "Instant mission". The Missiles didn't hit, but it locked on and it steered more or less in the direction of the target. I have no problems with the Mig-21 IR-guided. They work very good. The GAR-8 and are behaving alot of times like you described (steering more or less in the direct if at all). Another member posted this info in another thread. This is from the real manual AFAIK but we don't really know if DCS has modeled it true to real life. Looks like absolute minimum range is 900m and max at 10,000ft is 1000m! pretty small window... Yes it is, I just continue to try and fire around 900-1000 or just stick to guns.
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