Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Cool t, not to dump on you or anything, but what did you mean by the "ECM strobing since World War 1" comment? Well into World War II, the world had barely figured out how to use radar effectively, so any amount of countermeasures at that point in time were very likely to completely upset the enemy's apple cart. In World War I, radio communication on the battlefield hadn't even been figured out yet, let alone any type of detection and ranging. ;)
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Ahhh...I see your point now. ECM was pretty "simple" in the times of the telegraph, however. You just had to go out and cut the wire. I put "simple" in quotes, because, many times, "simply" cutting that wire could easily cost you hundreds, if not thousands of troops. I see your point now though. ;)
cool_t Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 ECM State of the art back then, or one could send false info to troops by tapping into line, or "Spam" the line and then they fall into ambush. I was on line some time back watching my bud go defencive on some migs. There must have been 4 ECMs on at the time but I managed to watch the battle on radar and guide him towards me for help. As my radar ripped the ecm signals apart I wasted some migs. In this case my verbal cues got my bud out of trouble. :joystick:
chennuts Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 ...stop acting like you know everything. :laugh: Thats why I make sources available SO YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOUR SELF You don't seem to understand the concept of citing your sources. So Chennuts, where did you get your sources from? You sound intelegent except for a few words. I didn't have any sources to cite, cool_t. As someone who says people shouldn't make things personal, you certainly have a funny way of going about it. Under different circumstances, I might be offended. Sadly, I just can't take you seriously. "intelegent"? :laugh: Do the research, read, practice, source your information and find out why wikipedia.org has such information for use. The info is perfictly valid, formal and a good source for intelectuals. Try citing wikipedia.org in any research paper. You'll be laughed at. I know a lot of researchers that will refer to the site for some things if they need a quick bit of information on something for personal use. Why? It's convenient. You won't be seeing it in their list of works cited on any project, however. Quote "Chennuts" You have yet to do any, however. Any what research I am lost. It was stated quite clearly. Also, one of your sources is list of "just about every USSR EW system there is." Even if the sources for that page and list are credible, they're not properly cited. The other "source" is not available. When you're going to site a massive list or even a website, it helps to be very specific in the information you're citing. To the paragraph if necessary. P.S. Dude I work the the USA Defence Industry If you want to realy get into a spec discussion your on. Oh and I will source my info. Bullshit. You can't spell and half of your posts are borderline incoherent. One more question for you have you ever touched a Trident avionics housing. No did not think so.What does this have to do with anything, cool_t?
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 State of the art back then, or one could send false info to troops by tapping into line, or "Spam" the line and then they fall into ambush. I was on line some time back watching my bud go defencive on some migs. There must have been 4 ECMs on at the time but I managed to watch the battle on radar and guide him towards me for help. As my radar ripped the ecm signals apart I wasted some migs. In this case my verbal cues got my bud out of trouble. :joystick: just remember that your COMs over the net are much more complex than the simple code oscillator of WWI. ;)
GGTharos Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 In the North/South Korean war, jammers already needed to be properly employed to cause trouble to SAMs. In Yom-Kippur, the SA-6 seemed to cause considerable issues to tactical fighters, jamming or no jamming ... I don't think the type of 'ECM strobing' you're talking about has anything to do with the kind of 'ECM Strobing' you see in LOMAC, coot_t, given what it is trying to simulate. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Yup...as you say, GG, the jammers, even in the 50's, needed to be PROPERLY EMPLOYED. I'm actually kinda impressed with LOMACs basic modelling of this complex entity, but I STILL kinda cringe when I am in a rare on-line fight and another hog driver calls "music on". I think "OH...OUCH...YIKES dude!!! If he didn't know you were here before, he DEFINITELY knows you're here now. :doh: "
cool_t Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 IFF-ECM ED team, What does the ECM-IFF, replecate here in lomac? :helpsmilie:
GGTharos Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Yup...as you say, GG, the jammers, even in the 50's, needed to be PROPERLY EMPLOYED. I'm actually kinda impressed with LOMACs basic modelling of this complex entity, but I STILL kinda cringe when I am in a rare on-line fight and another hog driver calls "music on". I think "OH...OUCH...YIKES dude!!! If he didn't know you were here before, he DEFINITELY knows you're here now. :doh: " Not only that, but if he breaks the lock after an ARH launch, that ARH just might decide to become somebody else's problem ... ;D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Oh...absolutely bad. But I'm actually talking about guys who use their 131s as if they are flying in a package of Prowlers or Ravens. There's a reason for dedicated EW aircraft using this tactic, and the 131 on the A-10 is not even CLOSE to being up to that task. :smilewink: Pre-emptive ECM use on a non-EW aircraft is like screaming "HEY GUYS!!! I'M OVER HERE!!! KILL ME!!!" :) Its like suddenly deciding to plunge into white shark-infested waters, just because you have a nose-bleed. (Crap...no smiley for shooting yourself in the foot). NOT smart. :D
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 ED team, What does the ECM-IFF, replecate here in lomac? :helpsmilie: Cool-t, dude, those are two different subjects. Be a little more specific, and someone on the ED team might be able to answer. ;)
GGTharos Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Sadly the ECM in LOMAC seems to work -almost- like a stand-off jammer :( It really doesn't work well -either- as an SPJ OR Offensive Jammer. As an offensive jammer, there's burn through and there's also no degradation of general scanning ability for the targetted radar. As an SPJ, it's not automated, and it's pretty HoJ-resistant. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest IguanaKing Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 HOJ-resistance aside, it still announces your presence to every guy with a gun or missile and a radar. ;) I agree though, the 131 in LOMAC is almost like some kind of Star Trek shield system. IRL, modern radars quickly work out how to get around your SPJ, so its best to use it sparingly. :)
volk-19 Posted July 16, 2006 Author Posted July 16, 2006 Was he warping or beaming you? what do u mean "warping or beaming", and what is the difference? ....sorry for poor English....
169th_Bat Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 Warping means Lag which means bad/slow internet connection. This is very frustrating as this could mean the difference between an easy kill or no kill at all. Because when you think your opponent is where he`s supposed to be, he`s actually a million miles away.........Well might as well be. Beaming: Flying perpendicular / 90 Degs to a radar source: http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1923/beamingsl9.png OR: http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1188/beaming1ka2.png "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few". - Sir Winston Churchill 1940.
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