Need tech help for real Pilot or test team.

[Red Hammer]

Oh, in the name of Karl Marx, you got help me here.

 

I have a problem during group fight. I just can not beat them in group fight.

 

This is what I do during the group fight:

 

When I see target can lock me on even I turned on the ECM, then I'll turn off ECM and let wingman to EB. Then I bank a little to a side, and Lock on the enemy wing-leader. My wing-man will Launch R-27ER most likely. After enmey wing-leader (F-15) fire the AIM-7, I'll fire R-27ER, and rolling, when I feel AIM-7 is about 3km from me, I will turn on ECM and roll down and release the chaffs. AIM-7 will miss and the F-15 will launcher another AIM-7 to me, I turn off ECM and roll to a side, so that the F-15 is on my 3 or 9 line. when AIM-7 is about 5km from me, I'll turn on the ECM, and climing up pluse release the chaffs. AIM-7 will miss. And now he is about 5km from me and I will fire R-73, meanwhile he will fire AIM-9, I'll roll up and release flares, so AIM-9 will miss and my R-73 will break the F-15 wingleader a part.

 

Then the enemy wing-man will Launch AIM-120 from about 10km from me, I just can't avoid it. when he launcher, my Autitue is about 4000m, and my IAS is about 550. No matter what I do I can not avoid the hit.

 

This is only 2 VS 2

If is like 4 VS 4 or more it will get worse.

[Sticky]

Sorry, I cant help you in the name of Karl Marx..

[britgliderpilot]

You should be able to defeat the AIM-7 BVR through use of the F-Pole - you have a range advantage if you're flying high enough and fast enough.

 

Fly in high and fast, fire, turn away and slow down . . . . if possible descend below your target so he can't notch you . . . . and that should be it, he should be dead.

 

The reason for going slowly is so you travel into his missile envelope at lower speeds - if your initial kinetic advantage is great enough, this approach means he may never even get a shot off ;)

 

However, if he's already launched then you're probably better off dragging the missile - continue out to the side of the engagement, still at high speed, keeping the radar within gimbal limits. You'll maintain your lock and your missile will keep homing - however, your enemy's missile won't have the energy to chase you down.

 

Try and fire first - the AI will go defensive, lose lock, and lose their missile. Your first shot might not miss, but a second shot fired shortly afterwards can arrive as he's wallowing from evading the first and he can't evade that.

 

 

As regards evading the AMRAAM, the basic principle is to have as much speed as possible, put the missile at right angles to you, and then to watch the RWR carefully.

When the missile goes active, the signal strength indicator will begin climbing rapidly - when it reaches 2-3 bars from max strength, pull up and bank into the missile. You can pop chaff if you like, but if you're going fast enough the missile just won't be able to follow you.

 

If your wingman is keeping the enemy occupied then that helps, if you know where the second enemy is then that helps as well . . . . otherwise you're down to the oh-shit-light-the-burners-dive-figure-out-where-the-missile-is-dodge-go-find-the-baddie-with-schlem-and-R73 routine.

 

 

 

This isn't really technical help, btw - it's tactics ;)

 

Oh - and practice, practice, practice :)

[Red Hammer]

Thanks a lot!!

But what is F-Pole mean you were talking about?

And why I need BANK into the AMRAAM?

 

And what happen if there are 10 F-16 like in the Hot Wing,

All I see just massive missile and plane mixture together.

[britgliderpilot]

Thanks a lot!!

But what is F-Pole mean you were talking about?

And why I need BANK into the AMRAAM?

 

And what happen if there are 10 F-16 like in the Hot Wing,

All I see just massive missile and plane mixture together.

 

The F-Pole is the maximising of your own missile range before launch (by flying high and fast), and the subsequent minimising of your enemy's launch range (once your missile is in the air) by slowing down and turning away. It's the name of the tactic.

 

 

You bank into the AMRAAM to ensure that you're moving in another dimension, makes it harder still for it to follow you.

 

 

And if you're up against 10 F-16s . . . . you Just Can't Win. Run Away :P

[Red Hammer]

I doesn't mean against 10 F-16C along.

I have total 4 Su-27(include myself) and 2 Su-30.

 

And something else I want to know:

one day I was snake to the back of 6 F-4, I can get a tone from R-27ET's seeker, but EOS can not find them.

I thought EOS is better than missile's seeker?!

[britgliderpilot]

I doesn't mean against 10 F-16C along.

I have total 4 Su-27(include myself) and 2 Su-30.

 

And something else I want to know:

one day I was snake to the back of 6 F-4, I can get a tone from R-27ET's seeker, but EOS can not find them.

I thought EOS is better than missile's seeker?!

 

Six against ten is bad odds - when they can engage multiple targets, you can only engage half of them, and they have ARH missiles then it's VERY bad odds.

 

Not sure if I've got a tactic against that many . . . . . they all coming at you at once, or some delayed?

 

 

The EOS thing is an odd one - can't explain that one. How far away were you, and was your EOS directed straight at them?

[Red Hammer]

Six against ten is bad odds - when they can engage multiple targets, you can only engage half of them, and they have ARH missiles then it's VERY bad odds.

 

Not sure if I've got a tactic against that many . . . . . they all coming at you at once, or some delayed?

 

 

The EOS thing is an odd one - can't explain that one. How far away were you, and was your EOS directed straight at them?

 

 

That is what am I taking about, Flanker claim as the most lethal and most beautful fighter on the earth, but they have no AR missile.

 

6 of us were fly low in the moutain, Radar and ECM were turned off. They did not spot us, we engage utill 16km.

 

There were 2 F-16C in the front as escort, C-130 was right behind them, behind C-130 were 2 wings of F-16C. But none of them have ECM.

 

I thought you know this mission, it is in the hot wind (Su-27) campaign.

And our position were dead head to each other.

 

 

Last time when we fight with F-4, my EOS were directed straight at them, but aslo directed straight at the Sun. So I think that is the problem. But if I am directed straight at the Sun, how can missile's seek working?