DeepDrummer Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 I wish you guys luck! I was trying to have common button assignments between the different birds, and I find that there are so many functional differences between the planes that in the end there are only a few common ones, like fire MG. Even the functions for flaps differ significantly. So some planes have a take-off position and some don't. If you only fly FC3 planes that's different of course, but I don't. So what I do is to assign the commands to HOTAS buttons in Options/Controls, always trying to follow a common schema as much as functionality allows. And I document my control bindings in an Excel format which I display on my second monitor. For my beloved Bf-109 and FW-90 I don't need to look any more; neither for the A-10C. But for the less frequently used ones it's very helpful. That is exactly how I used to do it right down to the exel file. I find they are not so "common" as well although I can get the joystick end of things identical or near so. I spent a few hours yesterday getting two the same as possible. That is a lot of work and surprisingly as LeCuvier states, not easy. If one makes the Target GUI full screen and then the print portion full screen one can copy and paste the graphical rendition into a "paint" program and edit it with a better font, makes notes on it, resize that to 750 x 1150 or so and put it in your kneeboard folder to be called up at will. It makes a throttle base, throttle top and joystick pic. I keep a wide variety of things on my kneeboard. The manual often finds itself open on the side monitor. Home Fries stuff is awesome and I have used it in the past and loved it. It really covers a lot of ground. My needs are much less and I want to maintain the ability to change my mind by making my own is all. Freedom is very important to me. Now I am free to make any changes I want because I took a week to learn how even though at every turn more and more folks from here said I should not do it. I have done it. I have been successful and no one has presented any valid argument not to learn how to make a Target script although a surprising amount of people have responded negatively regarding my efforts to do so. I find that a little odd to be honest. It's easy to go back if one saved his profiles in DCS first. Target scripts are not part of DCS World. A simple one like mine exists in one file outside of target. I can call up the old DCS profile anytime from within DCS (load profile) or I can run any number of Target scripts that add proper functionality to the switches. I simply saved the Target Profile within DCS I.E. with no bindings for the joystick and throttle and the axis set so if using Target I would load the DCS (empty) profile that I named target. The bottom line however is that there is no reason to go back. This is far better for my taste for sure and a more realistic SIM and definitely NOT more Game-like. NUFF said. Success has been achieved. Target works fine. Done deal. Naysayers can troll elsewhere now. sheesh. I was simply trying to share knowledge and methods Some great information came out and some hints of some secret great information available yet were dropped. I have determined that the Target hate here is indeed real and consistently perpetuated. All unfounded. Confirmed. Hey, someone had to say it. Win 10 pro 64 bit. Intel i7 4790 4 Ghz running at 4.6. Asus z97 pro wifi main board, 32 gig 2400 ddr3 gold ram, 50 inch 4K UHD and HDR TV for monitor. H80 cpu cooler. 8 other cooling fans in full tower server case. Soundblaster ZX sound card. EVGA 1080 TI FTW3. TM Hotas Wartog. TM T.16000M MFG Crosswinds Pedals. Trackir 5. "Everyone should fly a Spitfire at least once" John S. Blyth
hansangb Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 DeepDrummer, I don't think anyone was saying that using Target is wrong. It's a technique and there are different techniques, is all. One other benefit to Target is that you don't have to worry about DCS updates constantly assigning every axis to every device. That gets to be pretty annoying. I don't use Target anymore because my needs are simple and the ingame controls allow me to do everything I want. Now that 1.5 and 2.5x are using the same file for controls, I only have to change it once and both trains see the change. But I'm sure there will come a time when I use Target again (thnx to HomeFries) hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
DeepDrummer Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 It's all good. I just wanted to get a couple profiles up since I couldn't find anything simple that I totally understood. I felt since the OP was asking how to do it, I would elaborate with the simplest method I know of while using Target. I can read through the scripting and make some changes as I proved but most would not want to even look at the script. The script example were awesome btw. Had I not made the mistake of dragging the wrong switch into a Layer, I would not have had to visit the script at all. Drag and drop can in fact get a pretty decent script going. One certainly cannot do all things that way (confirmed) but so far, it can do whatever I require. I put my keyboard out of reach and found I could play mission after mission without touching it. THAT was my ultimate goal as well as having things where I want them. Home Fries' is the answer for some but I don't understand it although I used it and it is amazing. I probably followed Home Fries assignments pretty close since I used it for a long time that way. The work is appreciated. I can't imagine the hours invested. People Like Home Fries keep a lot of us in the SIM. Thank you sir! Traditionally (and I have been watching for a long time) if someone mentions Target they get hammered into the ground. Some have stepped up with help with target. That's pretty new. Good stuff. I am consistently amazed that people get that into it and make profiles like Home Fries. I understand the drive. Once you start with Target, you just want to do more and more and more. Scripting is the same, I am sure just with a different route to get there. My scripts are no where near as good but I understand every single thing about them and that alone gives huge peace of mind. I have tons of extra buttons remaining to add things later on using the layers. Anyone who would pick it up would see that it is one file easily edited in the Target GUI without having to visit any script or download and run any other software or jump a million hoops. I would encourage anyone to give it a go just for fun. Backup everything first. Set up one switch and you'll be hooked. My single file script exists outside DCS in totality. Mission accomplished. DCS is never changed other than my keyboard file adds some key bindings that are missing in DCS and I hand clear the key binds for the joystick and throttle and redo my axis settings in game. Thanks for all who helped now and over the years. Everyone had a part in getting me up to speed on this and it has been , literally, years. I tried and failed at Target so many times but when I decided to try just one switch, it finally clicked in. Target. You can so. Confirmed. That moment when you realize you forgot to fire up the target script before the game.. doh. Win 10 pro 64 bit. Intel i7 4790 4 Ghz running at 4.6. Asus z97 pro wifi main board, 32 gig 2400 ddr3 gold ram, 50 inch 4K UHD and HDR TV for monitor. H80 cpu cooler. 8 other cooling fans in full tower server case. Soundblaster ZX sound card. EVGA 1080 TI FTW3. TM Hotas Wartog. TM T.16000M MFG Crosswinds Pedals. Trackir 5. "Everyone should fly a Spitfire at least once" John S. Blyth
hansangb Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 --snippage-- That moment when you realize you forgot to fire up the target script before the game.. doh. I'm pretty sure you can batch file it. Launch target from the command line, then fire up DCS. I'm pretty sure i did that in the past. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
DeepDrummer Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) I'm pretty sure you can batch file it. Launch target from the command line, then fire up DCS. I'm pretty sure i did that in the past. Easily done for sure or one can set up the "fly now" in target which I did for one. I don't forget often as I have used Target scripts elsewhere for well over a year. I forgot a lot at first. It will really be handy when it is just one version instead of 3. I think I will try that advice right directly. Thanks. I wonder, is anyone firing up the trackir within the same .bat file? Any problems this way? Edited July 24, 2017 by DeepDrummer spelling Win 10 pro 64 bit. Intel i7 4790 4 Ghz running at 4.6. Asus z97 pro wifi main board, 32 gig 2400 ddr3 gold ram, 50 inch 4K UHD and HDR TV for monitor. H80 cpu cooler. 8 other cooling fans in full tower server case. Soundblaster ZX sound card. EVGA 1080 TI FTW3. TM Hotas Wartog. TM T.16000M MFG Crosswinds Pedals. Trackir 5. "Everyone should fly a Spitfire at least once" John S. Blyth
hansangb Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Hmm, no idea on trackIR. I gave mine away over a year ago. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
DeepDrummer Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 I long for the day. Win 10 pro 64 bit. Intel i7 4790 4 Ghz running at 4.6. Asus z97 pro wifi main board, 32 gig 2400 ddr3 gold ram, 50 inch 4K UHD and HDR TV for monitor. H80 cpu cooler. 8 other cooling fans in full tower server case. Soundblaster ZX sound card. EVGA 1080 TI FTW3. TM Hotas Wartog. TM T.16000M MFG Crosswinds Pedals. Trackir 5. "Everyone should fly a Spitfire at least once" John S. Blyth
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