Setting up for landing on carrier or ILS

[erjdriver]

Is ther a definitive guide on setting up to landing on a carrier?

 

e.g. do you have to dial in a radio freq. what to look for, desired speeds etc. - absolutely no doc.

 

Same thing for a land landing - ILS freq etc.

[WildBillKelsoe]

follow the ILS track keeping -3 to -4 sink rate and the donut green and always look at the altitude reference and be 5-10 meters above the countdown numbers as you are getting closer.

 

keep the two balls inside eachother on hud and at the cross for catching the third wire.

 

also use autothrottle when on speed donut and practice practice and practice some more. Fly the pattern many times and remember, practice.

 

when you touchdown, slap the throttles until you are sure you have come to a complete stop or risk entering soup.

[mvsgas]

Also being lighter helps. I practice with no weapons and 3 tons of fuel or less.

[David OC]

Ive been going of this video below, not Russian of course, practicing for the hornet. Not sure if there is good info for the Russian carriers around or in English?

 

 

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Here is an outstanding video made by an enthusiast about the carrier pattern.

 

Really great and thorough but with some much needed corrections. I highly recommend the video because it's a complete picture on carrier ops from the training perspective. Below are my corrections for the video.

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"I know this is very late feedback, good presentation but a couple of corrections for you. Never correct a high or low position with the stick, always with the power. You use the stick to correct alignment to centerline and maintaining the proper AOA.

 

"At the 45" is not past the carrier wake it's before it (edit: on it or slightly before it). The 45 position is halfway between the 90 and rolling out on the groove. Rolling out on the groove is just that rolling out on the groove all lined up with the centerline.

 

The reason why you said it was hard to see the ball initially when talking about your "starting the groove position" slide is because based on your position you were really long in the groove. When you roll out in the groove you are actually pretty close to the carrier and it shouldn't be hard to see the meatball assuming you are at the proper glideslope position. If you are hitting your numbers you should clearly see a center ball when when leveling your wings at the start of the groove.

 

You were starting your turn at the abeam way too late, you need to start that turn before you pass the fantail. This will have you much closer to the carrier on roll out. A better reference for the abeam is when you can see the hangar deck opening clear through and are lined up with it, start the turn right then do not go past the ship before starting the turn.

 

 

You should not be referencing the wake at all. The last reference checkpoint is the 45. If that wake reference call is in natops then that's news to me, since it's only an unnecessary distraction for the pilot. Keep in mind my flying days were twenty years ago.

 

The position calls are only for training by the way, by the time you are flying the hornet those comms are no longer necessary. The only call you make is your ball call. Typically the LSO says nothing other than acknowledge your ball call with lights or by voice so you intialize comms with your ball call. Oh and its not "4 decimal 2" it's "4 point 2".

 

You do not wait until you are a mile past the carrier to start the break turn, the break turn starts about 2 seconds after passing the bow. The mile thing might be a training thing but if that was practiced in fleet ops it would stretch out the carrier pattern and really screw things up.

 

Oh and one last thing, if you really want to do it like in real life make sure you are not looking at the carrier deck when the meat ball is in sight, you only make very quick glances at the centerline to make sure you are lined up with it but 95 percent of the time you are looking at the meatball and scanning your AOA indicator and that's it. If you are getting in the habit at staring at the deck and using the velocity vector to point yourself to the deck then you are doing it wrong."

 

-retired f18 pilot

 

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Edited October 16, 2017 by David OC

[erjdriver]

My question was really how do you select a landing runway, carrier etc. seems like you have to nav to LNDG mode and then press LCtrl-~ to select a zone.

 

No input of airport runways etc.

 

If choosing a runway - does the system auto dials the ILS frequency.

 

About about selecting a specific runway end.

 

Thanks.

[mvsgas]

My question was really how do you select a landing runway, carrier etc. seems like you have to nav to LNDG mode and then press LCtrl-~ to select a zone.

You can do that or create a missions and select the airport.

 

No input of airport runways etc.

We do not have any input for this, the tower will tell you which runway to and on but it does not matter unless you are in multiplayer, in which case the a server may specify which runway to use.

 

If choosing a runway - does the system auto dials the ILS frequency.

If it has ILS or equivalent, yes.

 

About about selecting a specific runway end.

You can't select a specific runway, you can just land on which ever runway you want to and if you have the ПОС (LANDING) mode on it will automatically switch to and ILS if available.