Sensitivity to speed changes around lateral axis changed?

[TOViper]

Hello folks,

 

is it just me or has the behavior around lateral axis (pitch) changed since last update?

What I experience now (and I really flew a lot since the module exists) is that somewhere around 650 km/h IAS the nose comes up massively, and with a little "jerk" (don't know how to explain it better). I noticed changes in other speed regimes as well, but I cant say the difference in detail.

I have to trim a lot more during flying. Using same stick, same resolution, same computer, same everything.

 

Did HB change something in the flight model?

 

If yes ... and if this behaviour is not following any suggestion of real pilots or manuals ... can I have the old model back? :smartass:

 

Thanks

TOViper

[TOViper]

I think I have to dig deeper on my own at the moment.

 

Maybe the changes in behavior are based on weather effects.

I flew the MP mission on "Kirks Hangar" Server a lot the last days, which obviously uses wind and turbulence (which I didn't thought of) :music_whistling:

I will change back to single player and use the mission editor to see the differences ...

 

Sometimes it takes a little time to combine things ... sorry in case this topic was useless ...

[rainyday]

I haven't noticed any changes in pitch - but Viggen does seem to be bit temperamental to begin with. And when you factor in the weather that might be cause of your issue.

 

If I might steal your thread a bit - while still talking about Viggen pitch - I still can't take off without AoA warning bitching on me. I've tried early rotation, late rotation, be as gentle with the stick as possible, trim, no trim, curves (might help, but hated it otherwise) and no curves.

 

Any tips? Using TM Warthog. Thinking of getting a short extension for it, maybe it helps.

[TOViper]

I haven't noticed any changes in pitch - but Viggen does seem to be bit temperamental to begin with. And when you factor in the weather that might be cause of your issue.

 

If I might steal your thread a bit - while still talking about Viggen pitch - I still can't take off without AoA warning bitching on me. I've tried early rotation, late rotation, be as gentle with the stick as possible, trim, no trim, curves (might help, but hated it otherwise) and no curves.

 

Any tips? Using TM Warthog. Thinking of getting a short extension for it, maybe it helps.

 

Hmm ... if you would use a shorter extension (if I understand right), any change on the stick will have a greater impact on elevator deflection, thus worsening your problem. A longer stick maybe gives you more precision ...

 

 

BTW: only from time to time I have the problem with high AoA on take-off. It is often necessary to wait until the time-line (on the very bottom of the HUD, which is barely visible if your seat is at a lower position) is really touching the limiting side-bars.

[rainyday]

Hmm ... if you would use a shorter extension (if I understand right), any change on the stick will have a greater impact on elevator deflection, thus worsening your problem. A longer stick maybe gives you more precision ...

 

 

BTW: only from time to time I have the problem with high AoA on take-off. It is often necessary to wait until the time-line (on the very bottom of the HUD, which is barely visible if your seat is at a lower position) is really touching the limiting side-bars.

 

Sorry, I meant just adding an extension - not adding a shorter extension, as I don't have any extension now :)

 

But you're probably right - I've probably been trying to rotate too soon. Viggen seems to be much more happy to lift off the ground when close to / at 300kph.

[TOViper]

Yep, regarding an extension I think would be worth a try.

 

Regarding take-off:

It really depends on mass and position of the center of gravity. Sometimes I catch the 100% correct setting necessary, and after applying a little push when the time line is just reaching the limits the aircraft comes up and does the rest alone. :music_whistling:

 

After positive rate I quickly engage the autopilot in mode attitude hold and retract gear. Flight path angle is somewhat of 3°, AoA is around 12-14°, not more. It is better to accelerate quickly than gaining altitude (if obstacles permit), this saves me time.

 

If I catch the setting again, I will do a quick video for you.

 

EDIT: my problems regarding the pitch sensitivity relate to a mission using wind (which I stupidly didn't recognize ... sorry for that!) *noob*

 

EDIT2: Here is the video of one take-off:

I tried to focus on waiting for the timeline. Take-off trim was around 3° Nos upp, and the AoA after lift-off is max 12°

Edited December 17, 2018 by TOViper

[rainyday]

If I catch the setting again, I will do a quick video for you.

 

EDIT2: Here is the video of one take-off:

I tried to focus on waiting for the timeline. Take-off trim was around 3° Nos upp, and the AoA after lift-off is max 12°

 

Thanks for the video - nice and smooth :thumbup: I'll get back to the pit and train some more :joystick: