Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 When in WVR dogfight, We need TWS radar screen that wide azimuth and short distance range. I hope Pilot to change that kind of radar setting with Jester. In multi-play dogfight, we are blind! the long ranged scaled and narrow azimuth radar is useless in dogfight.
IceFire Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 TWS doesn't work that way. The radar has to see something for a certain amount of time to display it on the TID... WVR you should be using PAL and the other dogfight modes... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Matt "IceFire" Schuette Commander In Chief United States Atlantic Command Virtual Carrier Air Wing Eleven
Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Author Posted April 5, 2019 TWS doesn't work that way. The radar has to see something for a certain amount of time to display it on the TID... WVR you should be using PAL and the other dogfight modes... I want to see TID screen short ranged and wide azimuth enough to see the targets before using PAL mode. In single paly, I jump into RIO and change TID & Radar setting, But multi-play it is impossible. I hope to talk to Jester just do that.
DUSTY Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) If you're heads down looking at the TID during a WVR dogfight you're doing it all wrong, sorry man! I play on Blue Flag a lot and have never had this issue and do quite well with the Tomcat vs 18s and 15s etc. I select jester to scan 50nm ahead when it's about to get hectic which gives me good SA as to where to point the nose. Then I switch to PAL if I'm low on SA and I know a hostile is within 15nm and if that doesn't work it's time to flow out and have another crack at it when you've built your SA back up. Edited April 5, 2019 by |DUSTY| F-15E | AH-64 | F/A-18C | F-14B | A-10C | UH-1H | Mi-8MTV2 | Ka-50 | SA342 | Super Carrier | Nevada | Persian Gulf | Syria | Intel Core i7 11700K - 32GB 3200MHz CL16 DDR4 - MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X 12GB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD 1TB
Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Author Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) If you're heads down looking at the TID during a WVR dogfight you're doing it all wrong, sorry man! I play on Blue Flag a lot and have never had this issue and do quite well with the Tomcat vs 18s and 15s etc. I select jester to scan 50nm ahead when it's about to get hectic which gives me good SA as to where to point the nose. Then I switch to PAL if I'm low on SA and I know a hostile is within 15nm and if that doesn't work it's time to flow out and have another crack at it when you've built your SA back up. It is just your style and effect only when bogy is just one. If you meet multiple targets and want to find out the best angle to attack, you need TWS mode properly ranged and azimuth. I'm very good at DCS Mirage2000C and Flacon4.0 F-16. And I usually use TWS mode in WVR combat. And I'm also no problem with just one enemy dogfight in F-14 PAL mode but I need more SA with TWS in multiple target engagement. Edited April 5, 2019 by Nansaram
mkosmo Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 It is just your style and effect only when bogy is just one. If you meet multiple targets and want to find out the best angle to attack, you need TWS mode properly ranged and azimuth. I'm very good at DCS Mirage2000C and Flacon4.0 F-16. And I usually use TWS mode in WVR combat. And I'm also no problem with just one enemy dogfight in F-14 PAL mode but I need more SA with TWS in multiple target engagement. You may want to adjust your technique some. TWS is not a mode well designed nor suited to close-in anything. As you start pulling the plane around, anyways, you'll find it less than useful as targets are quickly in and out due to exceeding either elevation or azimuth limitations. The radar here isn't exactly the one with the largest scan volumes (particularly in TWS).
Banzaiib Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 You may want to adjust your technique some. TWS is not a mode well designed nor suited to close-in anything. As you start pulling the plane around, anyways, you'll find it less than useful as targets are quickly in and out due to exceeding either elevation or azimuth limitations. The radar here isn't exactly the one with the largest scan volumes (particularly in TWS). PAL is the same scan volume as TWS... just sayin... if you have no SA, and you're inside 15 miles, you're in a world of hurt and TWS or not, you should have thought about extending before you got in that situation. But that's my opinion...
lunaticfringe Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 I'm very good at DCS Mirage2000C and Flacon4.0 F-16. Telling us you're good at improper technique with overmodeled systems doesn't convince me that the AWG-9 needs to grow an extra horn and Jester needs to do the wrong thing to placate you. Coupled with the mentioned point you don't realize PAL is the same scan volume as TWS with faster acquisition and no need to generate multiple frames to be useful and I'm really unimpressed with the contention.
Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Author Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) Hey, I just want to target multiple in WVR range. I found that Jester scan 25mile command reduce TDI range 25mile. But I want +-60 or more azimuth. PAL is only good at just one enemy. I repeat. I want to engage and track more than 2 target with TWR in WVR. no more! Mirage and Falcon can do just pilot switch on/off. Edited April 5, 2019 by Nansaram
OnlyforDCS Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 . But I want +-60 or more azimuth. Well what you want doesn't exist in the real AWG9 so it doesn't exist in the simulated one. Sorry. The AWG9 is capable of a +-20 degree 4-bar scan, or a +-40 degree 2-bar scan in TWS mode. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
AvroLanc Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Hey, I just want to target multiple in WVR range. I found that Jester scan 25mile command reduce TDI range 25mile. But I want +-60 or more azimuth. PAL is only good at just one enemy. I repeat. I want to engage and track more than 2 target with TWR in WVR. no more! Mirage and Falcon can do just pilot switch on/off. The max azimuth scan in TWS is +- 40 degrees anyway.
Banzaiib Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Hey, I just want to target multiple in WVR range. I found that Jester scan 25mile command reduce TDI range 25mile. But I want +-60 or more azimuth. PAL is only good at just one enemy. I repeat. I want to engage and track more than 2 target with TWR in WVR. no more! Mirage and Falcon can do just pilot switch on/off. This is a realistic simulation of an F-14. What you want is not really relevant if it's not in line with real world tactics and behavior. F-14 TWS has to update the track every 2 seconds. Period. The end. Can't change this. So... if you want a larger horizontal sweep, you have to trade vertical volume... you can get 60 degree sweep, but only 2 bars of vertical. The max azimuth scan in TWS is +- 40 degrees anyway. No, you can a get wider TWS scan, but you sacrifice bars.
Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Author Posted April 5, 2019 Well what you want doesn't exist in the real AWG9 so it doesn't exist in the simulated one. Sorry. The AWG9 is capable of a +-20 degree 4-bar scan, or a +-40 degree 2-bar scan in TWS mode. Ah... it's old plane... Okay, How can I switch +-40 degree and +-20 degree in the pilot cockpit in multi play?
lunaticfringe Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 1. Mirage and BMS are overmodeled in field and track maintenance reliability. 2. The AWG-9 literally will not do 60 degrees azimuth in TWS. 20 degrees at 4 bars, or 40 degrees at 2 bars. 3. Who do you think you're tracking for an extended period of time when WVR for TWS track files to be reliable? A hypothetical TWS field of regard at a range of 5 miles and 60 degrees width is less than 4 miles by 2 miles- do you honestly think you're going to keep multiple bandits in a field that tight while maneuvering in a pattern to reliably get radar paints on them every three to five seconds for worthwhile tracks? 4. What do you think you're going to shoot multiple opponents with in that maneuvering box with? Sidewinder won't switch over that fast, Sparrow requires STT, and Phoenix is faster off the rail using boresight in ACM mode- and you don't have to worry about a lost round in the high probability the bandit moves out of the TWS field of regard. Understand the environment. Your demand isn't just unrealistic for the systems, but unrealistic for the situation you expect it in.
OnlyforDCS Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Ah... it's old plane... Okay, How can I switch +-40 degree and +-20 degree in the pilot cockpit in multi play? I believe that you can tell Jester to change the azimuth sweep range. (Not sure though, haven't tried it myself) However as lunaticfringe pointed out it won't really do you much good. The AWG9 has problems with holding tracks in TWS as you maneuver and the AUTO mode which should help some (but not much) isn't implemented yet. The TWS mode in the Tomcat is used for long range Phoenix launches. That's pretty much it. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
lunaticfringe Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 It doesn't matter the age, nor does it matter the lack of AUTO performance. Running around in WVR with TWS shows you nothing reliably actionable, and more often than not, nothing at all. Use the systems designed to kill people up close or stay out of the environment.
Nansaram Posted April 5, 2019 Author Posted April 5, 2019 It doesn't matter the age, nor does it matter the lack of AUTO performance. Running around in WVR with TWS shows you nothing reliably actionable, and more often than not, nothing at all. Use the systems designed to kill people up close or stay out of the environment. Thanks for long explanation. But you also miss understand my explain. In Mirage, I use TWS short and wide range mode(+-60degree 20miles range) when unlocking or lose locking STT track and searching the target not to launch missile. Anyway I understand what you mean. Thanks.
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