Getting the index

[Wolf8312]

Was a no brainer for me really as I have the basestations for the orginal VIVE and didn't care too much about the controllers so was happy to just get the headset itself. Just wondering from anyone who else has an Index, how's the performance? To be honest I'm rather relaxed about it as I know what to expect with VR so it's not like I can't sleep with excitement but does the jump in image quality come at the cost of performace?

Does it look/perform better maybe or is the performance terrible in DCS? How does a higher refresh rate affect the experience? I've heard it makes things seem more real/solid? Anyway I guess I'll see in a few days time.

[Wolf8312]

The answer is pretty awful so far performance wise! Not sure if thats the index or DCS.

[stiinc]

Index here as well, I had pretty much given up with DCS VR, just wasn't the experience I was hoping for. Running a 1080ti as well with a 7700k, so very close to what you have. I just didn't want to run everything on low and off just to get 40 fps. I was running 2 monitors, full Helios touch screen setup, track ir and still getting over 60 frames with high settings and full shadows before. Everything else ran great at 90 or 120 in VR, so when my MB released the magic smoke, I bit the bullet and upgraded to a 3080 and a 5800x. I'm quite happy with my set up now, 1.3 PD mostly high settings, flat shadows on and still getting 45-to 50 fps in the standard scenarios, also knowing I can still tweak /oc to get a few more fps. out of it. I'm also running the alternate shaders /canopy settings as well. Hope you can get your set up sorted......

[Wolf8312]

Yeah I can basically get it running as good as it was on my orginal VIVE though only by dropping it down to the same resolution and 90htz. Wasn't expecting any different to be honest and I only use DCS for limited engagements and missions that I have made myself as multiplayer or large-scale missions have never worked well. Don't even bother frustrating myself with them.

 

Much better comfort/headphones and SDE though so I'm pretty happy with it. Also ordered a buttkicker Gamer 2.

 

It is best not to expect too much with DCS. I'd honestly be happy enough if they just improved the AI, cause for me its enough just to be able to fly and fight on a limited scale. But when the AI gets too easy I get bored!

 

Helicopters always have much better performance in VR (not nearly as much head movements).

 

I've heard good things about the 3090 for DCS because of the VRAM? Might look into it but I'm probably going to hold off for a while. In my experience a new card feels better for a while but if it isn't perfect and things like MP and the full SP experience are still not flawless it probably won't be worth it. When I first started I never even noticed reprojection!

 

Thinking about getting that star wars game too. I'm not going to invest any more money in DCS for a while now (might get Syria) not until there are performance improvements. Thanks for the reply as well mate!

Edited December 17, 2020 by Wolf8312

[K1nsal]

Need more Horse power most that run the index are 2080 TI cards CPU is kinda long in the tooth also. VR in DCS is expensive 

[Wolf8312]

  

2 hours ago, K1nsal said:

Need more Horse power most that run the index are 2080 TI cards CPU is kinda long in the tooth also. VR in DCS is expensive 

 

Like I said its running as it was on my original VIVE but basically have to put it down to the same resolution! I'm not really using the headset to it's full capability but that's okay as I never expected to be able to. It's fine at 100% SS if the missions are not too taxing. It has other things going for it rather than just the resolution upgrade.

 

Even if I was using a new card with a higher resolution though I'd probably still be about where I am now performance wise though with the better graphics/resolution.

 

At least that is what I suspect! Maybe others can tell me if this nut has indeed been cracked and its now a constant 90fps (for the entire SP/MP experience) using some of the newer cards/CPUs?

 

Trouble is it's hard to make informed decisions about these things because everyone who gets a new card will swear it's 'butter smooth now' though will a while later buy a new card swearing that no this is the one, it's really butter smooth now!  VR/DCS and GPU upgrades is kinda like the infinite halfway theory where one is perpetually walking halfway towards his destination but never actually getting there!

 

The 2080 series didn't really impress me at all to be honest, but I'm hearing good things about the 3090 in regards to VR/DCS though still very skeptical it will be the magic bullet!

 

I know from experience that if it is not flawless, over time and when the initial joy wears off a little, one will find himself wishing for more and being niggled by the imperfections!

 

I am going to upgrade at some point but I'm not sure the hardware yet exists to solve this DCS/VR problem. It seems to be a limitation of the game engine itself and as the headsets improve graphically the performance decreases and so we are back to where we started!

 

So would a 3090 really solve all the problems and provide a constant 90?

 

I think I'm holding out for the next generations T series, but even then I really lack confidence that it will be the solution.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Wolf8312

[K1nsal]

3 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

  

 

 

 

So would a 3090 really solve all the problems and provide a constant 90?

 

I think I'm holding out for the next generations T series, but even then I really lack confidence that it will be the solution.

 

Currently the 6800XT and the 3090 are best DCS loves VRAM and rasterization. I would be gun shy on the 3090GTX as the 3080TI drops in FEB from the rumors. The 6900XT isnt worth it the 6800XT beats the 3080GTX in terms of DCS VR performance. I got a G2 Reverb I cant speak on how it plays as Im waiting for the build to be completed unfortunately seem to be the sure way to get you hands on these cards is through OEM builders the wait just sucks ass

[stiinc]

7 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

  

So would a 3090 really solve all the problems and provide a constant 90?

 

I think I'm holding out for the next generations T series, but even then I really lack confidence that it will be the solution.

 

 

 

I think your right, nothing other than a full engine rewrite is going to solve all the issues. I'm waiting to see what MS FS looks like on the 23rd maybe that will be a look into the future for DCS. For now I'll accept what is is currently, as my experience went from IMO, unplayable on a 1080ti to at least enjoyable on a 3080....And I doubt you would get a full 90FPS w/o reprojection on the index, I'll try tonight with everything on low........

Edited December 18, 2020 by stiinc

[stiinc]

27 minutes ago, stiinc said:

 

And I doubt you would get a full 90FPS w/o reprojection on the index, I'll try tonight with everything on low........

 

So I ran a quick start........Every single DCS setting on absolute lowest or none, PD 1.0, Steam SS 150% I was able to get pretty solid 90FPS on the Index with a 0.8% reprojection rate and 20 dropped frames over 15 minutes flying in the Huey Harbor Tour quick start on a 3080 clocked to 1935MHZ, Vcard Ram usage was 5.5 Gigs and a 5800x with 32 gigs ram @ 3200MHZ. I however prefer to fly with all the eye candy on, so with the settings a posted earlier I'm at about 45FPS with 50% reprojection......

[Wolf8312]

Thanks man. Seems bleak but to be honest I can still enjoy DCS on low settings, and I reckon if I had your setup I'd probably go for performance over eye candy, and run it at the same settings I have now. Of course its easy to say that now but I know it can be hard to resist! DCS is rough without MSSA. I think if the Devs focused on how to make the game look nicer in VR maybe! It's really only the buildings that are the problem!

 

Want to upgrade my GPU though I'm not sure I can upgrade CPU without a new motherboard/computer so I'm not going to be doing that for a while. Do you think it would even be worth upgrading my GPU without also upgrading the CPU (i7-8770k)? Well probably will anyway but not with DCS as any kind of priority!

 

I just kinda accept DCS for what it is. Can fly in limited scale engagements but the game itself is pretty much off limits though it has been performing poorly performance wise for a while now. Couldn't go back to track IR though!

 

I'm honestly hoping for another combat flight sim to come out that has been built from the ground up with VR in mind! Theres also the other sim which has simshaker support now and works better. Can't compare to the DCS flight models though. At least racing isn't nearly as demanding though.

[stiinc]

On 12/18/2020 at 3:19 AM, Wolf8312 said:

 

Want to upgrade my GPU though I'm not sure I can upgrade CPU without a new motherboard/computer so I'm not going to be doing that for a while. Do you think it would even be worth upgrading my GPU without also upgrading the CPU (i7-8770k)? Well probably will anyway but not with DCS as any kind of priority!

 

For just DCS? No. But I will say going from a 7700k to a 5800x was a nice bump in performance overall for my system, it did reduce the CPU frame times, to allow going from 1.0 to 1.3 PD, but the 1080 ti was still the limiting factor. If you were going to upgrade one or the other, IMO I would go with the GPU in your case.

[Wolf8312]

Going to get one more new GPU in the summer before I go for a whole new build. It wouldn't just be for DCS though, as as you said yourself I think DCS will need a major revamp whatever happens. Always upgrade my GPU before getting a new rig as usually the CPU easily outlasts the GPU.

 

Got DCS dialed in quite nicely now though (albeit flying my own missions against the computer!) and with 4x MSSA and everything else off pretty much (shadows are the real killer). I wouldn't even try MP or any full-on misions though. Haven't flown for a while too so am remembering how much I missed it (butt kicker arrived today too) just a joy to fly.

 

Have to say it is a really nice headset and even although I can't crank up the res it is still superior to my old VIVE!  Comfort, SDE, headphones (this is actually a massive plus over the old vive), weight etc.

 

To be honest can't even complain too much about the performance as it's a hell of a lot better than it was when I got my Vive about 4 years ago!

 

Thanks for the advice mate.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Wolf8312